Wrooom 2012 Tuesday Round Up: Rossi And Hayden Talk About The New Ducati, New Contracts, And The 1000s

The launch of Ducati's 2012 season got properly underway this morning, when Valentino Rossi and Nicky Hayden faced questions from the press at Madonna di Campiglio, the Italian ski resort that hosts Ducati's Wrooom event. After a disastrous 2011, much of the focus of questioning was on the new Ducati GP12, the bike missing from the festivities at Wrooom, but to make its first public appearance at the Sepang test. The delay, according to various reports, is more to do with finalizing the livery, with details still to be hammered out with sponsors.

Both Hayden and Rossi were cautious about the new bike, not wanting to steal Filippo Preziosi's thunder - the Ducati Corse boss is due to give a press conference on Wednesday morning, at which he will present more details about the bike - but they did have a number of interesting things to say. Both men confirmed that the bike was different, Rossi describing it as "totally new" compared to what Ducati started with last year. The Italian said he had not yet seen the bike in the flesh, only in computer designs, describing it as "very beautiful." Rumors persist that the bike will either have the engine rotated back, bringing the front cylinder more upright, or else use a narrower V angle between the cylinder banks. Rossi did let slip one tiny sliver of information in an interview with the official MotoGP.com website, saying that "we moved something," without elaborating exactly what it was that had moved.

The target for everyone was the first test, and the first time chance Rossi and Hayden will get to ride the bike, after a shakedown test by WSBK champion Carlos Checa and Ducati test rider Franco Battaini at Jerez next week. Rossi explained that Ducati's aim is to understand whether the changes have had the required effect or not: "The first target is to understand if ... we are in the right way to fix the problems," he told MotoGP.com. Both Rossi and Hayden were confident the changes would be a big step forward, as the lessons learned during 2011 had allowed the factory to structure their development path a little better. After a year of working together, Rossi believed that they had the potential to build a competitive bike.

But Rossi was also careful to temper expectations. With the bike still so new, being competitive at the first race was an illusion, he told the press. The aim was to close the gap first, then to start fighting for podiums, and eventually, wins. The additional testing time will help, Rossi saying that Franco Battaini will still do most of the testing, with himself and Hayden stepping up only once the changes were sufficient to need their input. He expected that 18 races and an additional 8 to 10 test days should be sufficient to develop the bike to a point where it is competitive, but the 2012 championship was not a realistic goal.

Even with a competitive bike, winning 10 or 11 races in a season, as he had done in the past, would be difficult, Rossi conceded. There was a "new generation" of younger riders who had proved themselves to be very difficult to beat, Rossi naming Casey Stoner and Jorge Lorenzo in particular. He was as hungry as ever, though, and he believed that he still had the speed to be competitive.

Rossi's desire to be competitive naturally brought up the question of contracts. The Italian said he was not ready to retire yet, and wanted another two-year contract after his current one expires at the end of 2012. He characterized a return to a Japanese brand as "unlikely," saying that he is currently concentrating on the Ducati: "I want to be able to make the Ducati go fast and to win on the Ducati," he told the press. Rossi is, to some extent, the prisoner of his own reputation as a rider capable of developing bikes. If he leaves before the Ducati is competitive, he tarnishes his reputation for creating winning bikes; if he can turn the Ducati around and make it competitive, then there is no reason to leave.

Rossi did say that he expected some surprises, however. With all six factory riders out of contract at the end of season, silly season could get "interesting," Rossi said. "Cards can be shuffled," he added. 

Both Rossi and Hayden were asked about the return to 1000cc, but the Ducati men said that fans should not get their hopes up too high. Fans expecting a return to the "tire smoking and sideways style" would be disappointed, Nicky Hayden said: until electronics are limited, the bikes would continue to be more like an 800 than an old 990. Although unable to ride the Ducati 1000 at Valencia, he had gone out on track and watched, and seen that the bikes had a little more movement than the 800s, but that not that much had changed. The biggest problem with the bigger bikes was their tendency to wheelie, Hayden said. That would cause problems at some of the tighter tracks such as Laguna Seca and the Sachsenring.

As for his injury, Hayden said he was recovering well, but that the injury had been fairly serious. The fracture of his shoulderblade had been complete, meaning that the bone had cracked all the way through. The fractured ribs had been worse, he said, but he had not needed surgery and now didn't need to use the sling for his arm all the time. The aim was still to be fit in time for the Sepang test, though Hayden conceded that it would be a close thing, because of the severity of the injury. Hayden was determined not to miss the first Sepang test at the end of January, though, as he had already missed one test and was keen to ride the bike with the aluminium chassis.

Tomorrow, the GP12 will take center stage, as Filippo Preziosi faces questions from the press. Just how much he will reveal about the new bike remains to be seen, but it is clear that the bike will be significantly different to the GP11. Whether the changes are successful or not will only be clear once Valentino Rossi and - hopefully - Nicky Hayden take to the track on the bike at Sepang.

~~~ UPDATE ~~~

Listen to the complete audio of Rossi's press conference over on GPOne.com.

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2011 absolutely battered that part of the legend I thought. If Rossi lived up to his end of the bargin and got results on the D16 Ducati wouldn't be in this predicament of having to start the design process from scratch once more. They would have a careful evolved GP12.

Wouldn't it be ironic if after pleading for more compliant rubber from Bridgestone 2012 (which this years rubber is supposed to be) that - and I make a big specification presumption here - the soon to be released GP12 with a more front weight biased design actually overworks the 2012 front tyre whereas the original CF GP12 would work it perfectly.

Why would you think one bad year out a of a pretty darn impressive career would "batter" his reputation?

I honestly don't get it. The only rider to get the most out of the bike was Stoner. Whether this is due Stoner's superior skill, Rossi getting older, etc. I don't know and no one ever will.

Rossi and crew said, "yup, this isn't working with the current configuration, let's try something new". That was basically the end of Rossi's decision making. After that the engineers come up with something, and Rossi again goes "yup, that's not so good either". So on and So on...

How does that batter his reputation?

I'm not saying your wrong in that Rossi didn't live up to his end of the bargain. Facts are facts, Stoner was faster on the same bike, but in my opinion one bad year on a bike that only one person was ever able to be competitive on does not "batter" his reputation.

I interpreted nostro's comments to mean that the 'development rider' part of his reputation has been tarnished, and for good reason. He had 3 new chassis and 1 completely new bike made for him, supposedly according to his feedback, and none were any better than the 2010 GP11. And after a year he said he was still not comfortable on the bike. I would think that someone with the development abilities that have been attributed to him would at least be able to get comfortable on the bike, let alone increase its performance over 4 iterations. In fact, I think if they let Nicky run the end of year 2010 bike all through 2011 he would have done much better. He had 7 top 5 finishes in 2010, not too bad when you have 4 aliens, and 2011 race times were not all that different to the 2010 times.

>>I honestly don't get it. The only rider to get the most out of the bike was Stoner.

Its easy to get. Rossi is paraded around by most people as the GOAT and he never plays it down. It was not unreasonable, especially after his snide comments about Stoner's level of effort, to expect him to do much better. If not at the beginning of the season then after the first major bike revision. If not then, then after the 2nd major revision. 3rd? Nope. After 4 major changes he was still right where he started. And to top it all off you had riders like Karel Abraham and Hector Barbara running similar times on last year's bike. For someone with as much success as Rossi had throughout his career to not even be able to be consistently the fastest Ducati rider is a huge failure.

>>Rossi and crew said, "yup, this isn't working with the current configuration, let's
>>try something new". That was basically the end of Rossi's decision making.
>>After that the engineers come up with something, and Rossi again goes "yup,
>>that's not so good either". So on and So on...

The problem is that your narrative is completely counter to the Rossi story that we have been fed for the past decade: that because of his stellar feedback and development skills Rossi has the ability to make the fastest bikes that everyone can ride. The truth is much more boring: Rossi has many talents and one of them is placing himself in the right teams (except for this year). The 500cc Honda was given to him in winning condition with a world champion crew. The 990 Honda was a masterpiece of engineering centered around a masterpiece of an engine, what Honda is best at doing. I can't imagine Rossi was telling them to use the 5th cylinder conrod throw to counterbalance the other 4 and what cylinder diameters to use in the front and rear banks to make sure it all works. Then he arrived at Yamaha _after_ they started testing the crossplane engine and greatly increased their engineering effort. In fact one of the reasons Rossi quotes leaving Yamaha for is that Furusawa was retiring. That's the same Furusawa that was behind a lot of the theoretical underpinnings of the M1. I am not aware of anyone else publishing papers on signal to noise ratios at the rear wheel and thinking about how the combustion torque signal can be masked by piston motion. That is why the Yamaha is a sweet handling high corner speed machine. Rossi was able to exploit the design but had little to nothing to do with its creation.

I know a lot of these discussions and opinions are mostly fanboyism, but we are human and only watch these spectacles because of our unpredictable emotional responses. For Stoner fans to want to rub Rossi and his fans' faces in the dirt is completely natural, especially considering how Rossi loves to use the media to wage psychological warfare on his rivals. Its tough for Rossi's fans because he was always able to back up his off track talk with his on track speed and shut everybody up. Now that his track performances are subpar he has to shut up and let others have the limelight and his fans have not been in that predicament before and don't like it.


As a Rossi fan, I wish no one had ever used the term GOAT and Rossi in the same sentence. It turned something silly into this negative ongoing thing. It's to the point where I cringe anytime a journalist puts Rossi's name in an article. And that sucks.

And I do get what you are saying about the umpteen iterations of the Ducati with literally no improvement. But, my point is that Rossi is giving feedback. He gives feedback, then the responsibility of making that feedback work is the engineers, not Rossi. You can have Mozart telling me how how to tweak a piano concerto, does not mean for a second I will get it right (hyperbole I know).

And you can't have that much success in your career by getting lucky all those years. Surely you have to acknowledge he does have something special as far development, feedback, whatever?

And I always regarded his "legendary" feedback as taking a good package and getting the last tenths that no one else seemed able to do. Not redesign of a motorcycle. Stoner had that ability to overcome and out ride the Ducati's problems. Rossi is unable or unwilling to do that. So they are doing something radical. Again, that is not all Rossi.

I will concede on the riding position... it is strange to me too they took SO long to get that going more??

You're right it is fanboyism to a degree I suppose. But, I just don't agree with dismissing an entire career like his so easily because people don't like him, what he says, or some of his fans. Personally, other than all the negative discussions, I find it fascinating and am enjoying watching a master of his craft struggle.

>>As a Rossi fan, I wish no one had ever used the term GOAT and Rossi in the same sentence.

The problem is that is the persona that Rossi cultivates, not by him saying it out loud, but by everyone else saying it and him just smiling. He is a showman and a showman always wants the spotlight. And you can't deny his desire to beat Ago's win record and be officially crowned GOAT.

I guess my main beef with Rossi is that he is not happy to be the fastest rider of the day, he wants to be the fastest of all time. To me that's just a bit too full of himself. If history wants to make that call, let history make that call, not your fans and certainly not while you are still racing. Its why he does all the celebrations and acting. He needs to be admired and have his victories rebroadcast by others. That's fine for him to do, it's just not my cup of tea and why I favor other riders. I favor other riders but don't take away from Rossi's riding prowess. It is exemplary, but to me that should make Stoner and Lorenzo's recent riding even more impressive but many Rossi fans just can't come to grips with that and give no credit where a whole lot is due.

>>And you can't have that much success in your career by getting lucky all those

I never said he was lucky, only that one of his many skills was knowing who he should be riding for. He absolutely has a lot of special talents and one huge one is the ability to ride a roadrace bike blazingly fast. Another is being a very shrewd strategist, not only on the track but in contract negotiations and such. Unfortunately for other riders those skills are all bound up in a person that does seem to have more good luck than the rest of the paddock: record uninjured streak, falling with no bike damage and restarting, most likely to pass under waving yellow with no penalty, etc.

>>And I always regarded his "legendary" feedback as taking a good package
>>and getting the last tenths that no one else seemed able to do.

I'd attribute that as much or more to JB than to Rossi.

>>Surely you have to acknowledge he does have something special as
>>far development, feedback, whatever?

As a skilled rider yes, but this year his feedback has been 'I don't know what is wrong except for that f__king vibration' so I'm not sure I agree with the special development/feedback part. Rossi's precise feedback legend was developed in the good times. He had stable teams with mature, well developed bikes, why would anyone expect things to go badly? And who would have the balls to say, 'ah, Rossi's input is not that special' while he is winning for them? Nobody. But when presented with a real development challenge (not taking over Doohan's winning bike and team or riding the clearly dominant RCV or riding the Yamaha which is perennially lauded as the best handling bike which complimented Rossi's style) he was not able to make _any_ progress. So no, I don't acknowledge that point.

In fact, during all his years at Yamaha no other rider won a race until Lorenzo arrived. So was the Yamaha developed into a bike that anyone can ride by Rossi or did Rossi win on it because he is a great rider? I think it is because he is a great rider. Because it took another great rider, Lorenzo, to win.

>>But, I just don't agree with dismissing an entire career like his so easily because people don't like him, what he says, or some of his fans.

Yes, that is the usual fanboy approach and its unfortunate and wrong. If you put most other riders in the same place as Rossi was I highly doubt any would equal his successes. 100+ GP wins is not an accident, lucky, or a gimmie, it takes skill and dedication and hard work.


I guess I could come back with some points to counter yours a bit, but I think we both know where each other stand.

But, I will just sum up by saying that I understand your points on Rossi's personality, and would even agree with you that indeed he does cultivate that persona about himself. But, I really don't believe he set out in his career to be the showman of all showman; he started out trying to have some fun that no one else tried. Combine that with his racing successes and a legion of fans who were inspired by his fun... and the Rossi persona took on a life of it's own.

The only thing I would disagree with you on is 'I don't know what is wrong except for that f__king vibration'... You really think that is the extent of his feedback to Burgess and crew? They were (are?) lost, no doubt, but I still say that is more of an engineering problem than a Rossi feedback problem.

Anyways, it's nice to see a civil conversation about this subject, which has been particularly beaten about 10 miles into the ground. And appreciate you being balanced in your criticisms and compliments even though we may not agree. So thanks!

is, I believe, far more a product of an adoring fan-base (and that includes a number of quite prominent moto-journalists who hitched themselves early to the biggest story going around and cannot back-track on that without looking foolish) than anything for which an actual base can be traced back to any statement by Rossi himself.

What, in fact, was the guy to do when this story started? If he had come out with any 'hey, it wasn't ME' line, it would have been turned into a 'false modesty' claim by some and 'another example of how wonderful this guy is' by others. Due credit given by Furasawa and Burgess has been inflated in the minds of some to fantastic (pun intended) proportions and to a fair degree, Rossi has been entangled in that creation. Suddenly, what used to be a warm and fuzzy feel about Rossi has been turned into a white-hot brand, savagely debated by the pro and anti Rossi and Stoner brigade.

Burgess nailed the pre-Rossi situation at Ducati perfectly; Nakamoto has stated his appreciation of Stoner's input capabilities. Surely the opinions of the Furasawas, Burgesses and Nakamotos are worth more than the prejudice-driven claims of militant fans on either side? Objectivity can be cold-turkey when people have been flying on seven different herbs and spices provided by blind fanaticism - but it is NOT the riders' fault that some facts don't line up with a conflation of legend and expectation.

If someone says "You're the GOAT" and you smile and nod that is cultivating an image, and that is how Rossi would like to be seen. Even if he really is the GOAT.

cosman: you said: "The problem is that is the persona that Rossi cultivates, not by him saying it out loud, but by everyone else saying it and him just smiling"

What's he suppoesed to do, frown???

It was Edwards who said it....

And again before slinging a leg over the D16 for the first time. Rossi - 'Stoner not riding it hard enough' . Burgess '80 second fix'.

The myth and legend built up around Rossi was he could ride anything and fix anything. Busted.

What's age got to do with the price of fish? The man says he is still highly motivated and at 32 /33 should be in his prime. I simply think the three young guns have moved the riding level goal posts a little beyond Rossi's reach.

'Stoner not riding it hard enough' . Burgess '80 second fix'.

Again with the same two quotes. So two comments out of their long careers and this is enough for you to batter there entire persona and life? (and before you respond with more quotes, please don't bother, I will concede you could come up with a bunch more stupid things they may have said in the past)

I agree in that they were stupid, and incorrect, things to say... but man, every syllable these guys say is digested, and regurgitated, and digested again. They are human. I would bet you a million bucks they have more respect for Stoner than you or I put together!!

"The myth and legend built up around Rossi was he could ride anything and fix anything. Busted.".... ehh, maybe. I still think one bad year in a career like that is not proof enough to dismiss the man.

Do you HONESTLY think Stoner 5 years from now, after he wins ALL the championships along the way, giving him a total of seven (same as Rossi); would be AS WILLING after going to a new manufacturer to push a bike as close to the edge as he is now when that bike is known for falling over at high speed? In my opinion, he is too smart for that, and would not give two loads about his reputation being "battered" a bit by some in the media and fanbase. He would fix the problem the best way he could.

Don't foget how many times Stoner crashed that bike. Yes, he was the only one to be able to win on it. But his record in 2009 and 2010 weren't that great. You Mr. Nos keep maintaining that bike was fine as it was. It wasn't; it's a shame Ducati never listened to Stoner...

He commented that the bike was too unforgiving, and that this was not a situation he or the team felt that a rider (i.e. Rossi) should be required to accept as normal.

He also commented that Stoner's extraordinary ability to ride the razor's edge allowed him to produce results where others simply would have crashed, but that even so, it also meant that Stoner crashed far more often than he should have.

Ducati's problem in the past was that Stoner's ability lulled them into a self belief that they had a competitive bike which didn't require major changes, when in fact, they had a sub-par bike and an exceptional rider.

3 races affected by his still to be diagnosed severe lactose intolerance (including chundering in his hat) and three races AWOL because of it. Without this occurance 2009 may well have been an outstanding year for Stoner on the CF Ducati. The control tyre paradigm shift towards Yamaha was the 2010/2011 problem for Ducati.

The bike always needed to be redesigned. Don't forget how many times Stoner crashed that bike. Yes, he was the only one to be able to win on it and now he has shown us how good he is. But his record in 2009 and 2010 weren't that great. You Mr. Nos keep maintaining that bike was fine as it was. It wasn't; it's a shame Ducati never listened to Stoner...

Did you know that bike was designed by a car guy?

The GP12, 12.1,12.2 so on and so on is being given 18 races plus test dates to be competitive for 2013??? WOW! So in essence, the 2012 season will be a repeat of 2011 for Ducati! How sad! Would Rossi switch to Aprilia for 2013/2014 if there was an opportunity since going back to Honda or Yamaha is unlikely? And Hayden? Forever the poster-child of being the 'company-man', Hayden may want to start looking for greener pastures!

Nicky has been a factory rider for years so what other greener pastures are there for him? Satellite GP ride? CRT? Privateer WSB?

Once he wears out his welcome at factory GP teams I'm all for him leaving roadracing and getting his mile win to be the last rider with a Grand Slam.


"The target for everyone was the first test, and the first time chance Rossi and Hayden will get to ride the bike, after a shakedown test by WSBK champion Carlos Checa and Ducati test rider Franco Battaini at Jerez next year."

I guess you meant this year.

I actually meant next week, not next year, but was so busy checking that I hadn't written next year when I meant 2012 (this year) that I missed the week thing.

Ducati has never been impressive since 2003 in my eyes. Only a freak rider in the 800cc era made the Ducati look good. It (Ducati bike) failed when you consider what other riders did since 2003.

I fully expect a mediocore Ducati for 2012, 2013, 2014, ......and on and on. No reason to expect anything other.

Please do not try to tell me Caparossi did good on the 990 bike. That one does not wash.

I agree with a previous comment regarding Hayden's performance on the GP10. Hayden should have kept to that machine while Rossi and co. 'played' design games with the GP11s. Hayden's performance was better with Stoner as a team-mate than Rossi. Hayden has been down this rode before, remember!? The only real positives of being on the same team with Rossi is the money and media exposure Rossi brings with him. Does Hayden like being the test-rider for Rossi? I doubt it. That's why he chose to ride what he was used to during the US round(s) instead of what Rossi was working with. The results showed that Rossi was going in the wrong direction with the GP11s. Every rider on the grid wants to win and Hayden is far from his 2006 performance level riding the Ducati. If he wants to be fighting for a championship in MotoGP... Hayden will need to switch to Yamaha, Aprilia, or even BMW whether it's a factory or CRT if Ducati doesn't get their GP12s right. If Carmelo's dream happens... the entire field will be CRT anyway which may level the playing field/grid for all the riders.

The secret to Jerry Burgess' success has always been the riders. There is no doubt that he is top shelf stuff, but I think in reality he is no better than Stoners or Lorenzo's crew chiefs. Certainly not better than Coulon, who I think would have achieved the same results with Rossi throughout the years. Rossi's greatness can never be questioned but at this stage of his career he simply doesn't have the desire to win that would allow him to take the risks that Stoner was able to accept. It is because of this he will never win a dry race on the Ducati. I also don't think he is concerned with his reputation. If he was, he would retire. Guys like Roberts and Lawson and many others packed it in as soon as they realized that the results were diminishing. They were only interested in winning, not simply competing. Rossi enjoys the atmosphere too much to leave. He's as much an entertainer as he is a racer. I just hope he doesn't get himself hurt sticking around too long.

Rossi will never win a dry race on the Ducati? Wow, I can't believe anyone would say that. You could turn out to be right I suppose, but while I am not really a Rossi fan, he is still one of the greatest champions, and I would never count him out. Not yet, not now. Having watched Rossi all his career I would say that he is a ruthless competitor who wants to win more than anything else. The "entertainer" persona is just a mask.

Rossi's reputation has taken a battering in the last year, it is naive to think otherwise, and no-one knows that better than Rossi. Rossi's ego is as big as they come. This is not a criticism, great champions tend to have big egos, even if it not always obvious. To imagine that Rossi doesn't care about his reputation and his legacy is, in my opinion, simply wrong.

This is a guy who was considered by many people virtually unbeatable and the best of all time up to 2006. Then he was absolutely walloped in 2007 in a straight fight by an inexperienced kid on a Ducati. Of course excuses were given: it was Ducati power, Bridgestone tires, even that Ducati was cheating. Never that Stoner was simply the better rider that year, because how could Stoner be the better rider if Rossi was the best ever? Rossi came back strongly in 2008, but then in 2009 for the first time in his life he was pushed all the way by his young team mate Lorenzo, being beaten in several races. Lorenzo beat Rossi to the championship in 2010, helped by a major injury for the first time in Rossi's premier class career. The crown that had slipped in 2007 slipped even more in 2010.

Then came the disaster in 2011, and the inevitably unfavorable comparisons with Stoner. At the end of the 800 era Stoner's stats for the period were much superior to Rossi's. No-one wins nine world championships without being a great rider, but Stoner's performance in the 800 era at the very least greatly diminishes the claim by many that Rossi is the best ever. The one way to restore Rossi's reputation is to be a winner at Ducati. Rossi is in this to win, it's that simple. To think otherwise is to completely misunderstand a man and a champion like Rossi.

for starters,greetings everybody since this is my first post here...

this year has been one of my best in moto gp racing(watching live since 1987),and that is mostly due to the fact that what i've been saying many years in 2011 came true...

some history first...

rossi is ,with no dought,one of the best riders ever...BUT...

since day one had the best bike on the grid,the best mechanic (jb) and had been very lucky...

his first year at honda they gave him both doohans screamer and the big bang to test...after a couple of rounds with the screamer bike he just said one word...f..k,and went with the big bang...

doohan helped him a lot during his first year and jb with his great experience tailored the bike in rossi's style...

on the 4stroke era especially first couple of years honda was from another planet comparing with the carbed m1s(yes the first year injection didn't wanted to work on that bike) and the 2stroke hondas...

also he used psycology a lot to his opponents,remeber biaggi and gibernau,when things didn't go his way...

went to yamaha ,took all his honda team along,and made the bike from scratch the way he wanted it,since he had the liberty to do so...

also during these years never had a serious injury something that would surely hold him back physically and psycologically...

ducati ,from day one was garbage...powerful engine,only to the upper rpm range,making carirex ride it like a raging bull from the horns...

to make a long story short,stoner goes to ducati and in four years takes one world title 22 or so wins and many pondiums...trelis,in his own words was crap...between two same bikes the difference in flexibility,many times was up to 16%...

ducati goes to frameless bike but the feedback problems remain...only stoners ability made it staring in the races...it's interesting to see back to back stoners win interviews from 2010 and 2011 from aragon...you'll lough your guts out comparing the statements...

many times addressed ducati with the problem but he was addressing deaf ears...

his superior ability was proved from the fact that no other rider ever made ducati protagonize...elias said that he couldn't believe how stoner heated his tyres 20 degrees more than him...

capirex and dovi after having inseight in his telemetry said that his control in brakes and acceleration were out of this planet...

when rossi went to ducati i said that if filippo didn't allow structural changes in engine and furthermore frame the future would be black...and i was so right...

ducati's main problem in my opinion for many years,is the engine and especially desmo...it makes the engine so bulky that there's no room for proper frame clearances with a proper total bike length and height...even with the twin spar frame the problem will remain...the distance between front system mounts,either on engine or to frame will be too short to give the proper balance between rigidity and flexibility,a balance that is imperative regarding feedback and handling...you need length to do that...

if ducati doesn't ditch desmo,or get stoner back i don't believe they will ever see any future shiny days...

just my two cents...