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| 1 | Fabio Quartararo | Yamaha | 278 | |
| 2 | Francesco Bagnaia | Ducati | 252 | -26 |
| 3 | Joan Mir | Suzuki | 208 | -70 |
| 4 | Jack Miller | Ducati | 181 | -97 |
| 5 | Johann Zarco | Ducati | 173 | -105 |
| 6 | Brad Binder | KTM | 151 | -127 |
| 7 | Marc Marquez | Honda | 142 | -136 |
| 8 | Aleix Espargaro | Aprilia | 120 | -158 |
| 9 | Jorge Martin | Ducati | 111 | -167 |
| 10 | Maverick Viñales | Aprilia | 106 | -172 |
| 11 | Enea Bastianini | Ducati | 102 | -176 |
| 12 | Pol Espargaro | Honda | 100 | -178 |
| 13 | Alex Rins | Suzuki | 99 | -179 |
| 14 | Miguel Oliveira | KTM | 94 | -184 |
| 15 | Takaaki Nakagami | Honda | 76 | -202 |
| 16 | Alex Marquez | Honda | 70 | -208 |
| 17 | Franco Morbidelli | Yamaha | 47 | -231 |
| 18 | Valentino Rossi | Yamaha | 44 | -234 |
| 19 | Luca Marini | Ducati | 41 | -237 |
| 20 | Iker Lecuona | KTM | 39 | -239 |
| 21 | Danilo Petrucci | KTM | 37 | -241 |
| 22 | Stefan Bradl | Honda | 14 | -264 |
| 23 | Michele Pirro | Ducati | 12 | -266 |
| 24 | Andrea Dovizioso | Yamaha | 12 | -266 |
| 25 | Dani Pedrosa | KTM | 6 | -272 |
| 26 | Lorenzo Savadori | Aprilia | 4 | -274 |
| 27 | Tito Rabat | Ducati | 1 | -277 |
| 28 | Cal Crutchlow | Yamaha | 0 | -278 |
| 29 | Garrett Gerloff | Yamaha | 0 | -278 |
| 30 | Jake Dixon | Yamaha | 0 | -278 |
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Round Number:
18
Year:
2021
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2022 Top 5 + Rookie OPEN..
2022 Top 5 + Rookie OPEN...add your picks below.
No exact repeats, so check what is here already. If you see this post and wish to join, just hop on in. All are welcome until full.
Total points AND most correct order will determine your placing (when tie on Pts, win goes to most correct order).
ROOKIES:
D.Binder
Gardner
Fernandez
Bezzecchi
Di Giannantonio
______________________
Motoshrink: 1) Marquez 2) Bagnaia 3) Quartararo 4) Mir 5) Martin 6) Bezzecchi
Top Five +
Brian
1. Bagnaia 2. Quartararo 3. Mir 4. Martin 5. Miller 6. Gardner
First Go
1: Bagnaia; 2: Martin; 3: Marquez M; 4: Mir; 5: Morbidelli
ROTY: Fernandez
For what it's worth
Thanks for picking Bez as your rookie Shrink, made my choice easier, I will choose Remy.
Apical; 1) Pecco 2) Quartararo 3) M. Marquez 4) Miller 5) Martin 6) Remy Gardner
I'm assuming you went for Marc rather than Alex M.
I love Remy, best Rookie
I love Remy, best Rookie methinks. Went bike and recent form trajectory on Bez, but will be cheering for Remy for sure.
Ape, if there is a tie can you pick up sorting who has the best order? It may be a bit subjective. Ivanhoe can put a letter A in front of their reader username, his spreadsheet does alphabetical order for same Pts. (Delegation makes for community and democracy, and you are a good egg. Do they say that phrase in Australia?)
:)
I'll give it a crack
Sorting mail, Yes! Ivanhoe's spreadsheet sorting? This is a skill I will have to work on, will give it a go Motoshrink.
Yes we say "you are a good egg." I am good in parts at least.
Remy, Bez & Raul will be interesting. DiGi could be surprisingly fast, I haven't seen him ride that much. Darryn we'll see.
So who is checking for repeats or identical picks? Plenty of possible permutations.
If Suzuki bring a killer bike to the Jerez test we will all get nervous. A few support Mir. Yes he is a champion.
Alex Rins, dear oh dear, I made a blunder picking Alex in 2021. I really hope A.R.42 can stay on the bike & finish every race next year. Six DNF's this year, 20th at Jerez. Can't quite put my disappointment into words. Not happy Alex! Since he crashed at Assen 2019.
Pecco for champion, or Jack, as long as we have another epic season of awesome racing.
I will check for repeats, and
I will check for repeats, and let them know. Will make a list of them all. Then after Race 1 lovely Mr Ivanhoe posts his spreadsheet. If we gave a tie on Pts, you can pop in there.
Cheers!
Top 5 + rookie
1. Bagnaia 2. Martin 3. Quatararo 4. Mir 5. B Binder 6.Bezzechi
Good luck everyone. Apologies for the edit to complete my sixth selection.
2021 Champ includes Binder
2021 Champ includes Binder AND Martin over Miller. Agreed on Martin, seems a gamble on consistency though eh? Jack is solid like the sunrise. It was a hard decision here.
Buen suerte
Tougher than tough
You read me, 'shrink. It's a gamble. I've gone all in for speed. I love Jack, he's smart, the only rider who can shut Marc down, take the piss, force him to go the long way round. If I thought a fit Marquez would be on the grid I'd have chosen Jack like a shot. As it is, I'm already starting to hope I'm wrong.
Top 5 + Rookie
1 Bagnaia 2 Marquez M. 3 Quartararo 4 Miller 5 Martin + Fernandez
If Yamaha somehow finds 25 more horsepower I would move Q up to 2nd.
Folks coming after the Test
Folks coming after the Test have some advantage eh? Then again, they can't take your tips.
Good luck mate!
Wow what a season!
The longer it went on the better it got. So much new talent, and more to come next year. Martin and Bastiani are looking threatening. They outperformed a few notable rders. Commentors rave about Brad Binder, however I don't quite get it. Same with Oliveira. They are good, but just aren't doing it.
It will be very interesting to see how long it takes Gardner and Fernandez to adapt to the KTM MotoGp bikes. In my dreams they will push and outperform the official KTM team. Being an Aussie I live in hope (Go Jack!). Alex Rins is needs to go. Suzuki need someone that can actually finish a race and score points. Ducati Rules!!!
1/ Quatataro. 2/ Pecco 3/
1/ Quatataro. 2/ Pecco 3/ MarquezM 4/Miller 5/Mir R/Fernandez
Yam is going to step up, I feel it.
Hope you are right on Blue!
Hope you are right on Blue! And, they have let me down so much on the motor. Hope you are right more than I want to win.
Picks
1: Marc 2: Pecco 3: Fabio 4: Miller 5: Mir Rookie: Fernandez
Smart. You will be tough to
Smart. You will be tough to beat.
Top 5 + rookie
I'm certainly going to join this party for 2022, with a bit of wishful thinking in the mix:
1. Bagnaia, 2. Mir, 3. Bastianini, 4. Marini, 5. Aleix Espargaro, rookie: Bezzecchi
Pvalve, eelcome! Love your
Pvalve, welcome! Love your picks, especially Aleix.
:)
Picks
Thanks! If my house was at stake, I would have picked slightly differently, to be honest ;-)
It seemed like a fun idea to have a different line-up, and also then I didn't have to check for others doing the same ;-)
Still, I have a real sense that both Bastianini and Marini will improve significantly in their second year, on newer machinery. They fought hard for the title in Moto2 last year and if not for the nasty crash at Le Mans, Marini would have been champ instead of Bestia. So both know how to run at the front, and Marini is known for taking a little longer. He already showed some real speed towards the end of the season on his Bolognese youngtimer, so I see possibilities there, in Vale's team.
Aleix had to be in my team because I love Aprilias, but I also think there is a realistic chance he will do really well. Considered Viñales too, because I think he will shine a couple of times, but I still doubt his consistency.
1) Bagnaia 2) Quartararo 3)
1) Bagnaia 2) Quartararo 3) Mir 4) Martin 5) Morbidelli R) Di Giannantonio
Pecco for World Champ
Red is on a roll, especially in the hands of Pecco. Yamaha will bring an evolution based on 2020 bike, hopeful of better engine. Ducati another evolution, trimmed off the fat to make more nimble. Suz' will have new engine with more hp. Suz' and Duc' will make Yamaha's life hell 🤔
Pecco #1. Difficult to chose between Miller and Martin 2.0. He had how many poles this year?
Marc will continue to have issues is my very unfortunate expectation. The Honda will be brand new and unstoppable probably a little later in the season, and hopefully Marc will return and ride the seat off it.
Peterday, our thinking is alligning, not sure you want to do that based on 2021 results 😂 and here goes:
1. Pecco
2. Fabio
3. Joan
4. Jack
5. Franco
Rookie: Raul
Thanks a bunch for taking
Thanks a bunch for taking care of the stats, Ivanhoe. So yeah, since my reasoning served me so well for this season's predictions, why not apply the same logic to next years picks? Personally, I see Raul Fernandez as the most talented of the rookies, but KTM currently looks a bit lost for consistency in motogp. They might right the ship in 2022, but the murmurings are that Raul really wants out of his contract. Their partnership for next year doesn't seem to be in the best faith. That kind of unfinished business can affect the spirit in the pitbox and overall results on track. I really wanted to pick Raul as top rookie, but went with a Ducati guy based on the performances of Martin and The Beast this year.
Good luck! (If you do well, so will I...)
Final 2021 Standings
Cloverleaf__711__1._Jack Miller__181__2._Francesco Bagnaia__252__3._Fabio Quartararo__278
Motoshrink__628__1._Marc Marquez__142__2._Fabio Quartararo__278__3._Joan Mir__208
Lilyvani__601__1._Marc Marquez__142__2._Fabio Quartararo__278__3._Jack Miller__181
D999__601__1._Marc Marquez__142__2._Jack Miller__181__3._Fabio Quartararo__278
TZnRDracer__557__1._Fabio Quartararo__278__2._Johann Zarco__173__3._Maverick Viñales__106
Rholcomb__557__1._Maverick Viñales__106__2._Johann Zarco__173__3._Fabio Quartararo__278
Iannis_Z__533__1._Joan Mir__208__2._Franco Morbidelli__47__3._Fabio Quartararo__278
Richtea__523__1._Johann Zarco__173__2._Marc Marquez__142__3._Joan Mir__208
WaveyD1974__505__1._Marc Marquez__142__2._Francesco Bagnaia__252__3._Jorge Martin__111
SP_won__496__1._Johann Zarco__173__2._Marc Marquez__142__3._Jack Miller__181
St Stephen__483__1._Fabio Quartararo__278__2._Alex Rins__99__3._Maverick Viñales__106
Buccatini__472__1._Johann Zarco__173__2._Francesco Bagnaia__252__3._Franco Morbidelli__47
Mr.X__421__1._Johann Zarco__173__2._Maverick Viñales__106__3._Marc Marquez__142
Daddyrat__414__1._Johann Zarco__173__2._Marc Marquez__142__3._Alex Rins__99
Apical__414__1._Marc Marquez__142__2._Alex Rins__99__3._Johann Zarco__173
Brian__414__1._Marc Marquez__142__2._Alex Rins__99__3._Johann Zarco__173
stumo__414__1._Marc Marquez__142__2._Alex Rins__99__3._Johann Zarco__173
Peterday__397__1._Franco Morbidelli__47__2._Joan Mir__208__3._Marc Marquez__142
Pool Pirate__331__1._Johann Zarco__173__2._Franco Morbidelli__47__3._Jorge Martin__111
Ivanhoe__288__1._Alex Rins__99__2._Franco Morbidelli__47__3._Marc Marquez__142
Thank you Ivanhoe
Thanks ivanhoe good job mate.
Apical equal fourth from last in a feild of twenty, hoping for a better result next year.
Shrink wants me to sort out ties ivanhoe, can I call you Van? guess I will be in touch.
Seizure later.
Highside’s Picks
1. Pecco 2. Marquez 3. Quartarero 4. Mir. 5. Miller. Rookie - R. Fernandez
2022 5+ Helping You All Look Good
Guess someone has to make you all look good, so here's my 'foot of the table' contribution, but with a little less sympathy for the underdog this time - though I couldn't resist at least one 'curved ball'
1. Bagnaia 2. Marquez 3. Martin 4. Miller 5. Dovi and Rookie Fernandez
Thanks for organising this bit of fun too.
yud77 picks
think I'll go mostly Blue ;)
1) Quartararo 2) Bagnaia 3) Marc Marquez 4) Mir 5) Morbidelli R) Gardner
^ Great! Keep them coming.
^ Great! Keep them coming.
Lots of variation and interesting decisions. Looking fwd to off season discussion. A bit nervous about how all the riders will do! 2/3rds of the grid are starting to feel like my children or something. The psych phrase used there is "cathect," to experience something as a part of yourself. You can pick them because you love them, then love them even more for the picking.
;)
Dave's Pick's 22
If you don't get the obscure reference don't worry... ;-)
I have sent my resignation from the Alex Rins Fan Club to Spain, and I have demanded a refund! Guess I'll have to pick through the gravel to find it though...
OK, here's my prediction for 2022:
Fabio
Pecco
Joan
Jorge
Dovi (yes, Dovi)
Raul, rookie
Who knows what two years of engine moratorium will produce?? Could be crazy, can't wait!
There are a few Dead fans
There are a few Dead fans around you can be sure, there is a Dicks Picks cd around here still somewhere. Dovi got tipped more than once! Wouldn't it be nice to see him do it on the newer bike?
:)
Good luck mate
Cyrstal Ball
1.Marquez 2.Bagnaia 3.Miller 4.Quartararo 5.Zarco 6.Bezzecchi
Thanks shrink, ivanhoe, Apical
Good idea no repeat predictions
1 Bagnaia
2 Quartararo
3 Miller
4 Martin
5 M Marquez
Rookie Gardner
Welcome, solid picks.
Welcome, solid picks.
Pecco is getting HUGE belief/support/hope right now, eh? Changing of the guard. Bikes too, look at all this Red. I don't think as well of the Yamaha as some folks do, Quarty won somewhat despite it.
We are about to see quite a bit at upcoming Winter Tests. The freeze is over, there will be advancements. David mentioned caution at bringing too much change. I don't share that. I worry about too little for Yamaha in the engine dept. Also very much anticipating that the all new revolution Honda is hugely better in nearly every way (that is NOT a wish btw). David's KTM example of too many change variables being problematic doesn't resonate so well here. The tires changed away from them. They worked HARD and smart to bring new chassis and there was a good improvement. It didn't adhere and build further. Not sure that it is down to too many changes. They are a bit of an outlayer.
The Suzuki is coming together well closing the season. The first go w the 2022 motor was same character, more power. I can't say the same for Yamaha.
Guessing game
I'm sure the new bike will be much improved but unless Marc actually reaches full fitness I'm not sure if the rest of the Honda riders will be championship material. Yam is Quarty only right now but Morbidelli might do something once he comes good. Be interesting to see if Brivio is really on his way back to Suzuki. That and a few hp and look out for Mir.
Spoken as a proven mid-pack guesser.
KTM and the next step
Seems 2022 is going to be about speed. The bike's already a rocket ship remember, Brad Binder hit 362.4 in May 2021 in practice for the Italian Grand Prix. Ok, power delivery was harsh, which of course couldn't be addressed, the bike and tyres didn't work so well together, which seems to have been the root cause of the problem in finding a base setting, there were injuries and maybe rider selection lacked coherence. But KTM are about bikes, they don't have greater priorities in other areas attracting their most able talent. Focus, clever people (including Dani) and resources should lead to a very much improved package for 2022. I'll be watching progress in testing with great interest. Get the aero right and I think they could be capable of running with the Dukes. Binder B for top 5.