Casey Stoner Rules Out A Return To Grand Prix Racing

With Casey Stoner preparing to take the next step in his sporting career - the long-expected switch to racing in the Australian V8 Supercars series - the two-time MotoGP champion is facing increasing scrutiny over the exact timing of his future plans. An announcement is expected soon confirming that Stoner will be racing in the Dunlop V8 Supercar Series, the support class to the main series, with Triple Eight racing and full Red Bull backing. On Sunday, the Australian newspaper the Sunday Mail reported that Stoner had already signed to race in the series, a report which Stoner immediately denied on his Twitter feed.

The Sunday Mail story draws at length from an interview to be published in the official program for the Clipsal 500 Adelaide race to be held in March. In the cited interview, Stoner also repeated that he had no intention to return to motorcycle racing at any point, despite the extremely generous offers he had received to keep him there. "I've got no thoughts whatsoever at this time of ever even thinking of coming back to grand prix racing,'' the Sunday Mail quotes Stoner as saying

Since his retirement, there has been consistent rumblings that Stoner may one day return to MotoGP, rumblings that are based almost entirely on hope, rather than expectation. Such talk has been fueled in part by comments made by HRC Vice President Shuhei Nakamoto, who said in a press release interview issued earlier this month "if [Casey] ever decides to come back he will find a warm welcome waiting. I told him that’s always on offer."

Despite that, and despite the rumored $15 million offered to him to stay on for another season, Stoner has been clear right from the start that he would not be making a return. After announcing his decision to retire at Le Mans, he was asked time and time again whether he would consider a return to MotoGP, and he consistently answered that he would not, "unless they start racing 750cc two-strokes" Stoner joked. In the interview with the Sunday Mail, Stoner repeated once more that he stood by his decision. "I'm not changing my mind every couple of minutes. The money doesn't interest me," Stoner said.

For a little more background on how the story came about, see this piece on the Australian website

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The Sunday mail - the local Sunday paper in my home town of Adelaide is a pointless waste of newsprint not fit to wipe one's arse with. I haven't bought it in over 20 years, and articles like the one cited are exactly why I made that decision.

Stoner denied reports in the Italian media that he would shortly announce his retirement. Then he announced his retirement.

So my money is on the number 27 being painted on a Red Bull Holden Commodore for this season. He just wants to announce it himself, rather than acknowledge a leaked news report.

that has so far been 'reported', then should it happen as being suggested, Stoner would have an excellent car, excellent team and excellent sponsorship. Given his rather perfectionist nature and his loyalty to his team and his sponsors, it's hardly surprising if he would want to do at least the next scheduled test session to convince himself that he can do justice to what is apparently on offer.

According to Red Bull Racing Australia, the new cars are to be exposed to the public on February 14th. That is a more likely time for any formal announcement, though the language may be less explicit than in the teaser: .

Any person who has followed v8 racing knows that Wayne Gardner, despite being quick at times, was not called 'Captain Chaos' for nothing - he always seemed to be in the middle of any crash situation that happened, though they were frequently not his fault. Mick Doohan had at least one run in the Targa Tasmania, (a fairly serious tarmac rally through some damn dangerous territory) in a very fast AMG Mercedes coupe and turned it into a wheelie bin from memory, so Stoner is almost certainly under no illusions that bike racing superiority translates automatically into car racing excellence and all of his comments to date suggest that he isn't holding tickets on himself.

Whatever happens, Stoner's future career is of peripheral interest to motoGp fans and it is to be hoped that the intensity of feeling sometimes expressed about him will be suitably dulled also. Barry Sheene carved out a niche (more like a cathedral, actually..) over here in Aus. motorsport as a commentator through his wit, wisdom and irreverence; time alone will tell if Stoner can blossom in the more relaxed atmosphere.

> Stoner should go to Yamaha...
> ...have there been many riders to win the World Championship with 3 different
> manufacturers?

> Serious GOAT territory.

Only if they bump Rossi to make room for him...

Casey has a distinct taste for bikes either with hardly any feedback from the front or chattering front.

Thats won 6 of the past 8 titles? Yeah crap bike that, I never yet tired of hearing that one. In fact the only thing stopping Yamaha from completely locking out every world title since the beginning of the 800cc era 6 years ago are Stoners world titles, both achieved on bikes that had not won world titles for several years. Plus, this years Yam was mostly better than the Honda due to the chatter issues plaguing the RC213V.

Look at it like this, while Stoner was on the Ducati he won more races than anybody, as well as a world title and since Rossi joined that team it's now universally acknowledged that the bike was well below par, with not enough development.

Since Stoner joined Honda he has also won more races than anybody as well as a world title, which Pedrosa hasn't managed in 7 years.

Looking at Stoners record and Yamaha's record, it seems to me theres every reason to believe Stoner could win titles on an M1. If Rossi hadn't blocked Stoners move to the factory Yamaha back in 06 Yamaha may well have actually won every single title for the past 9 years!

It's easy to read a comment and draw the wrong conclusion. Nothing wrong with the yam(though few will argue that it's not a little slower than the Honda) and hard to know why you thought so. Perhaps I should have put relatively as most know it won last year caseys style doesn't require a planted front but does require plenty of horses(ala the duke and Honda) theyam keeps up and wins on occasion by keeping its wheels firmly inline and razor sharp handling , tyre shredding even if the tyres are unshredable? Saps power. It's a big leap to suggest the yam would benefit from being ragged not that there is anything wrong with it. Read comments twice and take pills for the love of Jesus.. Ps the story about Rossi blocking stoner was made up by a stoner fan. Besides if he had joined tam he wouldn't have won in 2007 I suspect. Whether he would gave progressed from there without changing brands would have required him to show something we haven't previously seen from him(progress after a first season on any brand) ...

As reported by Eurosport:

"MotoGP rookie Casey Stoner suffered a double blow during last weekend's German Grand Prix. Not only was the 20-year old advised not to race following a high-speed crash in the pre-race warm-up but race winner Valentino Rossi has also moved to block the Australian joining the Yamaha team.Stoner, who was linked to a move to the factory Yamaha team at the end of last season before joining up with Lucio Cecchinello on a Honda, has again been muted as a possible team-mate to Rossi next season under the wishes of chief engineer Jeremy Burgess.However, despite showing flashes of brilliance this season and the temperament necessary to become a multiple race winner, Valentino Rossi has taken it upon himself to block the move, saying that the Australia would be best served at Honda."I think the best option for Stoner would be to stay where he is," Rossi said at the Sachsenring."

What Casey has demonstrated by winning on bikes as different as the Honda and Ducati, and trellis, carbon fibre and aluminium framed bikes is that he's very adaptable. The argument that he's couldn't adapt to the best chassis in the GP paddock is ridiculous. Pretty much every rider to throw a leg over the Yamaha chassis has loved it.

You can argue the yamaha cannot be ragged. Look at Crutchlow's crash rate and his style of riding - he has a dirty style and seemed to have his chasis constantly upset and spent a lot of time picking his bike out of the gravel. Look at Spies too. Though on the factory ride, he has said many of the crashes were his fault for the way he rode the bike (not counting the mechanical breakdowns), that he was not as smooth on it that the yam needed. Then look at Jorge and Dovi - both smooth and beautiful lines and never really upsetting the bike.
As for Stoner, I've not seen it mentioned here his preference; we alI know he can ride around a problem through his almost super-natural talent but I would bet the farm he wanted a bike with a planted front as he stated the problems he had with the Duc were often the same as Vale - not to mention his crash rate in 2009 on the Duc when the front would just fold. He couldn't feel anything. Lastly, think how pissed he was at the start of 2012. He was a holy terror before the new tire and extra weight requirement made the Honda almost unrideable and he called on his talent to once again ride around the problem.
I would have loved to see a third factory yamaha this year or fully supported Tech 3 bike so this discussion could be put to rest once and for all!

That's a common misconception with regard to Stoner, that he has 'dirty lines' or was 'ragged'. The Ducati was an animal, but Stoner was gentle with his inputs. When Cal was pretending to be interested in the Ducati ride for this season people were opining that he might 'suit' the Ducati because of his attacking style. When asked about it Hayden said the opposite was true, Stoner was fast on the Ducati because he was smooth - he let the bike move around underneath him but he was very smooth with his inputs, and this is a guy who's been looking at data for two years. Capirossi said a similiar thing, that the Ducati didn't react well to ham-fistedness, one had to be 'delicate' with it, and that was when the Ducati had a screamer engine paired with the trellis frame. People said De Puniet would do well at Pramac because of his aggressive style too, didn't turn out to be the case at all. And when you look at Stoner on the Honda, are you telling me he looked ragged? Watch his lines and bike language at Phillip Island last year, glass smooth, just fast and on the edge.

So I would agree that the Yamaha is a bike that responds well to smooth input, with the likes of Dovi and Jorge outperforming Spies and Crutchlow (though Spies was very good on the Yam in 2011). But I don't think there's any question Casey could ride the Yam the way it needed to be ridden. The Yamaha's sweet chassis would be a much easier transition for Stoner than some of the other bikes he's had to work with in his career like the first ever KTM GP bike or the carbon framed Desmo.

If i wasn't clear it's because i was my mobile device and didn't really edit myself. You are correct and that is the point I was trying to make, that he rode the bikes in the way they had ro be ridden due lack of front end feel, chatter. etc. he is no doubt masterful with his wrist.
I was trying to get at his preference was more than likely something he didn't have to ride around.

That's not a house... said in best Mick Dundee voice

oh to be fast...

The Stoner fan that broke the story re Rossi blocking his entry to Yamaha. I would like one piece of the info. I never did hear it myself quite honestly.
Bottom line is Stoner is gone,just like Spencer,and all the best to the Stoner family.
Many will miss him and many others will miss him like a hole in the head.
Chin's up ! Sepang 1 is just a fortnight away.

The Stoner to Yamaha story is 100% correct.

At the Time (mid to late 2006) a condensed version of the story appeared in the Melbourne Age (by far the most reliable and conservative paper in Australia) with a more complete version in AMCN. I read both.

This was also backed up by an interview with Jeremy Burgess at that time (he said he was the one who wanted Stoner in the team), although he was very diplomatic in why Rossi had vetoed it.

What no one could understand why Rossi would block a somewhat sporadic satellite rider from being his team mate! was mystifying at the time for the Australian public.

and one has to applaud the prescience of David's comments that:

"The Roman Emperor has been much missed this season, as his abrupt departure left MotoGP fans without an obvious villain. Sete Gibernau has occasionally tried to step up to the plate, but has not usually progressed much beyond looking moody."

Nature abhors a vacuum and Stoner was a pretty obvious jagged peg for that jagged hole:

"The other thing that makes Stoner a less attractive proposition is his free and frank style of communication. If he is unhappy about anything, he tells people. Loudly, and in the very bluntest of terms. Sponsors, and teams, don't always appreciate that kind of frankness, and so signing the young Aussie is always going to be a risk."

Perhaps 'always going to be a risk' however didn't quite foresee the future: Stoner went (we understand) from the EU100k signing WC to retiring 6 years later with a reported offer of 15m to stay, a rather exponential increase - and one certainly not due to becoming the PR darling of the series. The Stoner-Rossi tectonic fracture between fans will continue ad nauseum for the foreseeable future, but one thing is absolutely certain - that story is the yin and yang of motoGp racing '07 - '12. Their stories are irrevocably inseparable.