Marc Marquez Diagnosed With Double Vision After Massive Highside In Mandalika

Marc Marquez has suffered yet another injury setback on his long road to recovery. He has been diagnosed with another episode of diplopia, or double vision, after his huge highside in the morning warm up before the Indonesian Grand Prix at Mandalika.

Marquez was ruled unfit after the crash, and did not take part in the race at Mandalika. At the time, he had undergone scans to check for broken bones and brain trauma, but the scans turned up nothing serious. Fearing a concussion, however, Marquez was not allowed to ride, a decision he and his team supported.

During his trip back to Spain, however, he started to suffer vision problems again. On arrival in Barcelona, he met with the opthalmologist who has been treating him during his previous bouts with double vision, and he was diagnosed with diplopia again. The only ray of light in this situation is that this episode is less severe than the previous bout he suffered at the end of 2021.

There is no schedule for a return to action for Marquez. He is due to start the same conservative regime of treatment and therapy, and will undergo new checks next week, to determine how long his recovery might take. Though the press release gives no indication of when Marquez might race again, it seems unlikely he will participate at either Argentina or Austin, as those two races are back-to-back.

The injury is a massive blow to Marquez, another one in a long string of physical problems starting with surgery on his left shoulder to prevent it from dislocating at the end of 2018, then the same surgery on the left shoulder at the end of 2019, and a complicated recovery from that. At the first race of 2020 at Jerez, Marquez had a huge crash at Turn 4 in which he was hit by the bike and fractured his right arm. A mistaken attempt to return a week later saw the plate holding his arm together fatally weakened, setting off a long period of recovery as the humerus bone became infected and did not heal.

Marquez started to slowly recover his form through the 2021 season, and was just hitting his stride when he crashed on an enduro bike, further damaging the nerve in his right eye which he had originally damaged at Sepang in 2011, at the end of his first season in Moto2. Dr Sanchez Dalmau, the specialist treating Marquez, decided against surgery, and the Spaniard rehabbed using a course of physical therapy.

Marquez' crash at Mandalika was so severe that he banged his head, damaging the nerve which controls the muscles in his eye again. The crash happened during morning warm up, when the rear of his Honda came round on him at Turn 7 on a closed throttle, before gripping and then viciously spitting him off and up into the air. Marquez came down heavily, and was lucky not to be more severely injured.

The crash happened after all the Hondas and the Suzukis complained of a lack of rear grip from the harder construction rear tire Michelin had brought to the race, fearing the extreme tropical heat would cause problems for the tires used at the test. There were instances throughout the weekend of the rear letting go unexpectedly, as clouds and damp conditions kept track temperatures much lower than expected.

Marquez' injury will raise questions over when, and if, he will return. But speaking at the Sepang test, the Repsol Honda rider had already accepted the risk of a recurrence of the injury if he crashed. "This is one point that when I spoke to my doctor, it was my first question. If I crash in the Malaysia test, what is the possibility to create the same problem again? And the answer was clear: the possibility is the same that you will have in two years. The nerve problem is there. If you crash tomorrow or you crash in two years and you touch that nerve again, it will be damaged."

Marquez knew the risks, and took them anyway. How this injury affects his mental fortitude and ability and willingness to race remains to be seen. But this, yet another in a long line of incidence, will surely test his resolve.

The press release from the Repsol Honda team appears below:

Marc Marquez diagnosed with a new episode of diplopia upon his arrival in Spain

The Repsol Honda Team rider experiences another episode of diplopia as a result of the heavy fall suffered during Warm Up for the Indonesian Grand Prix.

Marc Marquez was declared unfit for the Indonesian Grand Prix held at the Mandalika circuit after suffering a high side at Turn 7 during Warm Up prior to the race.

The MotoGP medical team confirmed that Marquez suffered a concussion and several minor traumas before being transferred to the hospital in Mataram, the capital of the island of Lombok, where he underwent a more exhaustive medical examination and a CT scan in which major injuries were ruled out. As a precaution, the MotoGP medical team together with the Repsol Honda Team jointly decided that Marc Marquez would not take part in the Indonesian race.

During the journey back to Spain, Marc Marquez began to experience discomfort with his vision and upon his arrival in Barcelona on Monday, he had an emergency visit to the Hospital Clínic de Barcelona with his trusted ophthalmologist, Dr. Sánchez Dalmau, who after an examination confirmed a relapse in the diplopia that the rider suffered last November.

This morning, the Spanish rider visited his medical team, led by Dr. Samuel Antuña, at the Ruber Internacional Hospital in Madrid, where Marquez underwent a general medical check-up to evaluate all the bruises caused by the crash and a brain MRI. This has reconfirmed that he did not suffer any other injuries.

Doctor Sánchez Dalmau

“The neuro-ophthalmological evaluation carried out on Marc Marquez on Monday after the head injury that occurred at the Indonesian Grand Prix, shows a new episode of diplopia caused by a recurrence of paralysis of the fourth right nerve, with less involvement than the one that occurred in the injury in November 2021. After this examination, it was initially decided to follow a conservative treatment with periodic medical tests. Next week, Marc Márquez will undergo a new check-up to evaluate the evolution of the injury and to predict the estimated recovery period to return to competition.”


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... was completly drained from having to work too hard too many times and retired at the end of 2019 giving his notice by letter. But these "socia media youngsters" do not reed letter's, and so MM was unaware and the consequences are starting to become very big 

Although I'm not a fan of him and not really agree with all his antics, he's probably the one I admire the most as, for me, he is the only alien in the paddock right now, the one that destroys the field on any given day. The things he does with a MotoGP are nothing short of incredible.

I truly feel that we should be grateful for the possibility that we have to see one of the major talents in MotoGP's history in action and I would really like to see his career continue in that strong position that he has - I would like him to be beaten (if it happened, I'm not really sure..) on track by Pecco, Quartararo, Martín or Oliveira, and not to just fade away from injuries.

Hope he gets back soon.

Precisely the news I did not want to hear and I've been dreading this ever since he left the circuit.. I constantly defend his ways with " what would you know? He does not think and rationalise like us mere mortals who value our safety and comfort zones.. Hes a motorcycle racer and a bloody legend and we should be so lucky to see this guy churn out laps and do the things he does to make it a show that we can never get enough of MotoGp but damit this is so frickn frustrating and saddening. He cannot keep bashing himself up like this 😭😭

It is easy to question Marquez's decisions and the risks he takes, but it is the very same thing that made him go for the gap, slide and lock the front, lose the front and catch it on his elbow and knee and all the other jaw dropping things he does on a motorcycle.  Such drive and determination defies logic.

I hope he makes a full recovery. However, I have mixed feelings about him returning. I would love to see him race at his best again, but feel he has to take notice of these serious warnings to his health.

MM has riding his luck as well as his amazing talent, for years, always on the edge, now it appears to be catching up. I too am not a fan of his antics but he is still the 'big beast' of the sport and it's the lesser without him. I'd like to see him back at his best and competing on equal terms with the new generation, this raises more doubt this will happen properly.

Although VR was long past being competitive it would surely be sad to lose two 'aliens' in short succession.


Back when he was getting away w it repeatedly, some of us voiced concerns over the dice roll numbers catching up w him.

Honda made a bike only he could ride, and that no one including him could ride safely. I was really unhappy w HRC...well, continued to be as I hadn't liked them for quite a while. 

Then it happened. Then it happened again. Then, the dirt bike head-->eye. 

Then last weekend. Fack.

You were rough w the throttle (chopped it into engine brake) and over riding where one should not be Sunday morning on that rear tire. Not a moment for burning frustration with desire. Too spicy friend.

Heal quickly He Who Hungers for Heaven.

^ Sheezus! That is some profound shite right there. Popped back in here looking for a commenter. This is a really rich shared space.

Just really appreciating everyone. David Emmett, before the weekend, called for a calm weekend. It STILL says it up there ^^. We didn't get one, but we DID get the highest grip wet race ever recorded in modern history.

Just ask Olivier Jack on a Kawasaki what he thinks a rain race can do as the great equalizer. 

Fun memory just popped up. My best finish in club racing, came in mixed conditions. Most all riders were out on wets. I put on "used for a single 7 lap sprint race" dry softs (Pirelli). 

Boom. Podium chase. Serious balls! The front slid entering the high speed Left --> Right...hardest Right! back straight ending chicane. 

Hard throw to left knee, REALLY fast into there. Absolutely delicious THROW of the bike to the right, great grip. Right knee just clears the white sand red striped curbing on the right apex...running out into a TIGHT as fook right. 

I can still feel every piece of every track ridden. Haven't raced since 2007.

Here's to exploring the possible, transcending human limitation and design. 

Your basic instincts are trying to kill you. You get apprehensive and the body tightens, coming closer to the bike. You awareness draws closer to the bike and the race line,  towards the front end and traction patch. The throttle of course? Reduces, uncompressing the front forks. Extending the rear shock (aka, the old school thing for a shapeshifter? We call it the bloody brake and throttle ya Illmore!).

Anyhoo, bike was moving about. Hard fought bold passes and just hunkering down to enjoy exploring balanced controlled sliding using the body and steady right wrist? Priceless.


A great deal of the thing that is a motorcycling legend is the ability to stay fit, through riding style, intelligence, mental and physical fitness. Longevity requires fitness. The throttle goes both ways is a phrase that should be stamped on the top of every riders tank. Schwantz, Hopkins, Cal,  great riders who just broke their bodies like MM. Marquez needs to adjust, if he can't adjust to not being number 1 then he should retire. He doesn't ride to make up the numbers he rides to be number 1, so that leaves retirement and being remembered as a true great. He's done now, every effort he made to climb up just leaves him further down.

Shocking news but not surprising given the circumstances of the crash and his past history with eye trouble. What is surprising is that his right shoulder is okay after being levered into the tarmac by the lower body. Super hard hit. After he recovers, will we finally witness the new and improved Marquez that he spoke of earlier this season? I hope so.

On a different note, the show must go on. Bradl for Argentina? What's Michelin going to bring? It's been three years since the circus visited Termas. This season's allocation or what worked in 2019?

So sad to see him beaten up so badly time after time. He's given his all to motorcycle racing, a true credit to the sport.

I'm not a fan of him or his bike company but I never want to see anyone hurt. Except Honda's reputation, it's ok to harm that all you want.

I hope Marc gets well, really well, not just "they can't stop me from racing so I'm racing". When he ejects like this it makes me nauseated. Big thanks to the air bags. Get well soon, Marc.


Mark Marquez comes back. I am not a fan, but I recognize that he has been the man to beat for the last ten years. And I have already said he has been riding his luck very hard, and driven the stats (injuries per crashes and almost crashes) into extraordinary percentages. Alas, everything has a price and now it’s paying time. For me this is the cost of Honda’s shortsighted, mad insistence on developing an impossible bike, just because their semi-god centaur could ride it. I do not believe in legends and heroes, I believe in the sport. Nevertheless he is absolutely in a league with the greatest.

That aside, I am really annoyed with all this “it’s basically the tyre’s fault” talk. As if we need an excuse as to why this greatest rider has been for two years flailing, or has just been proven human. As if it is impossible for him or Honda to err, so guilt must surely lie with somebody, something pelse. Yes, perhaps this particular edition of rubber does not fit Honda and Suzuki, or they just could not adopt to it as well or as fast as the rest of field has. But it has happened before, to Honda (Stoner injured himself out of the sport in 2012) and Yamaha and Ducati. It’s the same odds for everybody.

That said, MM please take good care of yourself and, if possible, COME BACK. My sincerest wishes for a full recovery. 

Mark Marquez comes back. I am not a fan, but I recognize that he has been the man to beat for the last ten years. And I have already said he has been riding his luck very hard, and driven the stats (injuries per crashes and almost crashes) into extraordinary percentages. Alas, everything has a price and now it’s paying time. For me this is the cost of Honda’s shortsighted, mad insistence on developing an impossible bike, just because their semi-god centaur could ride it. I do not believe in legends and heroes, I believe in the sport. Nevertheless he is absolutely in a league with the greatest.

That aside, I am really annoyed with all this “it’s basically the tyre’s fault” talk. As if we need an excuse as to why this greatest rider has been for two years flailing, or has just been proven human. As if it is impossible for him or Honda to err, so guilt must surely lie with somebody, something pelse. Yes, perhaps this particular edition of rubber does not fit Honda and Suzuki, or they just could not adopt to it as well or as fast as the rest of field has. But it has happened before, to Honda (Stoner injured himself out of the sport in 2012) and Yamaha and Ducati. It’s the same odds for everybody.

That said, MM please take good care of yourself and, if possible, COME BACK. My sincerest wishes for a full recovery. 

I wish we could go back to happier days when Peak Puig was just him running around the paddock acting like Pedrosa's jealous mature aged boyfriend.

Every time you go out on track its a roll of the dice. The law of averages catches up with most and the number of big injuries was low for Marquez given his absolute number of offs. Starting to feel like John Hopkins at this point. Say it ain't so. Regardless, so much respect for the talent, hard work and will to conquer. This Soup article sums it up nicely.

I try to avoid writing negative comment as it does nothing good for anyone, but I have to say, that article on superbikeplanet is complete twaddle. Every one of the apparently lily-livered riders he names took huge beatings from being launched skywards or hurled through the gravel and got straight back on, and then some. Singling out Lorenzo for special mention is beyond ridiculous, after Assen. But most have known when to draw the line, which apparently makes them less than ‘true riders’. There’s nothing at all noble about someone being carted off into retirement (or worse) on a stretcher and it’s even more sad to see this when the rider has passed their high point. It’s just romantic nonsense to proclaim this as the mark of a true rider.

Personally, I kind of hope Marquez calls it a day. He’s had a stellar career, is right up there among the greats, but will otherwise spend the next 3 or 4 years having to push the boat out ever more, given the plethora of fast young guns and growing parity across manufacturers. And pushing the boat out that far is increasingly risky for him. I expect every single follower thought the same thing when we saw that crash - diplopia announcement to follow. Even though I’m no fan of his, I'd much rather see him leave with a good future ahead of him than with some life affecting injury. 

I recall Nicky Hayden saying that after Stoner binned it, he'd go out on his second bike and record fastest sector times.

Yes, I'm sure we all remember when this was Marc too (feels like Marc sure does). When the difference between pole position and starting tenth is measured in fractions of a second then you'd always be left wondering if you couldn't have squeezed a little more out of your body and machine. You find the limit and then you know exactly how far you can push before it's too far. I think this more than any other factor is the cause of Marc's crashes. 

I guess you can potentially save a low-side with your knee and elbow in a way that is patently not an option with a high-side, so there is some measure of the impact of the specific machine issues in the equation, but let's not kid ourselves that on a better 'sorted' bike that 93 wouldn't have still been pushing right to (and over) that edge. 

Wouldn't he always push anything over the edge a bit further than anyone else? That's his genius. The Honda just happened to be what he was on. It seems as though he just took what the notoriously haughty Honda engineers gave him (We make a winning bike, it's up to the rider to win on it) and won on it. If they had given him something that he asked for he might've asked for the same thing or he might have tailored it in a different way. Idk. I just hope he recovers and can have a normal life after racing, whenever that is.

I don't think he can not race unless it is actually impossible. 

I would like to see another blossom. He is snipping his own buds off. Tough to see.

The Michelin tire is "responsible" for ___, the circuit is responsible for ___ re track surface (it was great in the wet!), Marc is responsible for how carefully he rides given that grip, and Puig is responsible for a GREAT deal of what goes on there with the bike handed to Marc as well as how to support/manage a wildly aggressive risk taker as well as possible. (I have NEVER liked Puig! He is said to be a great asset within HRC, and appears a big ass outside of it). Marc needs assertive limits with compassion. Natural consequences aren't sufficiently safe. Curious what Alzimora has been doing personally around this. A few others could be in a position to. Certainly Puig.

I was thinking of that crash also, it really is a carbon copy.  What I find slightly strange is that this years RCV has been a revolution because they have supposedly moved the weight balance and hence grip to the rear.  And yet they're still having these un-saveable lightning fast closed-throttle highsides.

Hmm the one in Assen was quite a long slide. Recoverable ? Ask Marc, he usually the king of saves. I'd guess he knew about it for a few tenths before it flicked him off.

Closed throttle rear slide... how to catch it?  Apply throttle or rear brake?
If throttle, TC has to understand if you give 100% to light up the rear and turn it into either a tokyo drift or a flat spin lowside without ejection.  How to program that little conundrum??  Who volunteers to test ride it???  No me. :)

Could application of the rear brake bring it back into line controllably?  Could an automatic system be developed that does so?  The rider will often not be in a position to apply rear brake at all let alone fast enough.  Theoretically an ECU should be pretty easily able to identify the scenario of minimal or zero throttle combined with increasing yaw, changing wheel speeds etc etc.  It can then give some rear brake to maybe save the day (and perhaps the life / career of the soon-to-be aviator).

Those kinds of highsides are much more nasty than the old on-throttle ones of the 500 era.  The rider seems somewhat of an innocent victim of it, as it's only indirectly triggered by him unlike the on-throttle ones.  These off-throttle ones are also very common in Moto3 in particular.

Yeah, Honda hasn't done him any favors (beyond the maybe 20 mil euro/yr), but it is all on Marc. Bike, tires, Puig, whatever.

He has to find the limit, find how to win, but he also has to find it his way. Dovi basically did a KR by thinking it through, Marc finds the limit another way. Everyone here saw the almost high side 12 minutes earlier in Sunday warmup, right?

Twenty years from now I fear Marc will be moving with a cane or walker while dealing with the lifelong effects of CTE. I certainly am not one to say whether it will have been worth it, only he can, but the circus will be less for his absence. As I posted a few days ago, he is past his prime. He will either keep testing the limits, or slow down.

Marc has binned it, run back to the pits, jumped straight on the next bike and set fastest lap in Qually, think it might have been a rare Q1 but could have been Q2 pole.

I stopped reading soup a while back, it is just nasty.  Singling out Lorenzo is plainly ridiculous, I was in Assen that weekend (edit: 2019, the day of his spinal injury while riding for Repsol) and went to a talk by Manuel Pacino the very night of the crash (Friday I guess).  Manuel had seen photos of the crash and he said we were so so lucky to not be mourning the death or permanent disablement of a great champion that day.  Lorenzo's tumble through the gravel photos were exactly as for Wayne Rainey's. 

Not only had Lorenzo done that herculean act at Assen years earlier (edit: 2013, the collarbone incident), but many, many other tough-as-nails comebacks - the broken anke highsides early on, re-breaking the collarbone the week after Assen, the severed finger at Phillip Island and many more.  After all that he changed brands and relentlessly pushed on to become a winner again in spite of yet more crashes and criticism from the likes of Adams, and he also kept pushing till that bike failed underneath him and spat him into the tarmac.  He then changed brands yet again and pushed a bike made for a totally different rider (to be kind to the previous gen RCV) getting spat off time and time again and pushing on till it broke his spine.  At that point he decided to walk away while he still could.

Calling that guy limp-wristed or in some way weak is just shameful.  What a truly awful 'journalist'.  Just writing vitriol to get clicks, I feel compromised for having read that article and disappointed that my page load might in some way pay for more of it.

I would encourage others not to follow the link.

Adams is a ...

..., but to disparage Lorenzo or Stoner is beyond the pale.


There, I fixed it.

... you should come out of your shell and be more forthright in your opinions, lol. FWIW, I thought the piece was trash as well.

Joshua Melanson do us a favour, would you please, and edit your post.

The Marc ever suffering from CTE I hope not. Not in his future please no.

Some people loose a noticable of their smarts in one rugby game.

Bouncing around on a dirt bike for a day has an effect on my head.

WaveyD I don't need to see that crash again thanks. Breganzane I were there. Ask D.E.

Get well soon Marc Marquez.

I know, you stood me up at the train station!  Still devastated... :P

Thanks Josh

I don't understand why anyone states that they don't like Marc Marquez. Marc's drive and determination is far and above everyone one else on the grid (minus The Martinator).
Maybe it's a French thing, because the most popular french cyclist is the one who finishes second.

Anyway - thanks for the link to the Soup article. Dean Adams would make a great guest on the podcast. 

He's got enough of that for anyone, coupled with unbelievable talent. Unfortunately more often than it should his riding translates into a lack of consideration for others on the grid and for rules, verging sometimes on dirty riding, when there's no need for it. Watch the Argentine race from 2018; that put me off him for good. Also for Race Control, but that's another story, lol.

I have visited Mottomatters and Superbikeplanet multiple times every day for years. Dean Adams has written many great articles through the years but after reading that article where he disparaged riders, especially Stoner and Lorenzo, I have lost all respect for him. I remember both riders riding with injuries. Stoner after high siding at Indy in practice and Lorenzo a couple of days after breaking his collar bone, I forget where. I remember reading a comment from Andrea Dovizioso concerning the Indy race that as he followed Stoner he was totally impressed with how fast he was while riding in such discomfort. When I read Adam's article I almost thought that someone was using his name. It is hard to imagine someone who knows anything about this sport writing such a blasphemous article. If anyone should retire, it's that hack.

Dovi pushed Stoner off the podium in the final laps and said how sad it made him feel when he did. That's when Stoner rode with an emergency custom made Alpine Stars boot just to fit his ankle and foot into it. He had to take the next couple of races off because of it and it ruined his title defence but still raced to 4th with it when it counted. Guts, grit and balls. 

I've been reading Soup for as long as I can remember (probably not far off when the website started) and it holds a special place in my heart. Disagree with Mr. Adams if you like (I confess I do in this case), but please don't judge too harshly. Age, loss, and the inevitability of life will inexorably distill us to more potent versions of our younger selves that embrace the romanticism of a remembered (or miss-remembered) past.

I'm in no place to know, but having read the site for so long, and reading between the lines over the years, I'm of the opinion that the demise of AMA Superbike racing and MotoAmerica (despite Wayne Rainey's best efforts), the death of Nicky Hayden, and the recent death of Dave Sadowski have hit Mr. Adams very hard indeed. The sheer volume of retrospectives and obituaries over the years points to a man who was (is) closely connected to the scene and to one who's vision, perhaps, has been concentrated by cynicism and time to the "warrior's" view.

I once sent photos to Soup that I took of an AMA Superbike race in the late 1980's. Dean ran most of the photos and sent me a heartfelt email, fondly recalling his friend Randy Renfro (who's bike and leathers were in one of the photos I took). Mr. Adams may not be perfect, but please don't bury the man for holding a rose tinted view of the men and women who live and lived (both present and past tense) the sport he loves.

To be fair he could have expressed his point without shitting on the other riders. For all of his apparent knowledge of the sport he certainly has a short memory on how much Lorenzo and Stoner had to endure with injuries during their time in the saddle, and how their grit and grind efforts are universally revered amongst their colleagues and fans alike.

They deserve far more respect than they were shown in that article. It was a disrespectful click-bait article at best and by the sounds of the comments within this thread there will be a lot less baiting-into clicks in the future. I certainly won't be back.

That’s what I like about this site - good sense and decency usually prevails. Mine wasn’t trashing Dean, who I’ve never met and for all I know is someone I’d happily share a beer with. It was only complaining about the article. If it’s an aberration, good, we all write, say or think total bollocks sometimes and I’m wouldn’t want to judge someone on the basis of a single article. 

The diplopia started during his journey back. From what I can see you are allowed to fly with concussion, but in his case with a recently healed episode of diplopia I wonder if it might be better to wait in future. Assuming that he does race in future and that he has a crash in the weekend. 

This is actually agood point. Why did the problems start some time after the crash and not instantly?

Perhaps Mr. Emmett can dive into this?
Or is there a doctor in the room?

It happened this same way last time as well. He crashed, picked the bike up and finished his last few laps then packed up and went home. Later that night he started feeling a bit off while taking a shower and it started to unravel as full blown double vision and the associated nausea. 

A Rider Market Change

Whelp, at a critical juncture, there has just been a significant change at the cornerstone of Silly Season.

The Marc has cut his own Achilles heel. His THIRD delayed return has been expected by the well funded Honda, but is increasingly elusive.

Warmup highside to the moon brings a next consideration: what is the shift in the rider market? Nearly all of our riders are out of contract. The silly season awaits "that big first signing."

Keeping it succinct, Honda's hams and all new bike are about to do something. That is to announce the signing of Quartararo or Mir. (Note, there is a North of zero chance that they signed both. Not much though).

Honda needs an Alien esque rider. They grab them with a fist of money, when their bike is good. It is finally, although that requires a slightly early leap of faith. 

There have been signals. From here, quite definitive. Quarty to Honda, Mir stays at Suzuki. 2nd scenario, Ducati grabs one and Honda the other.

...Here it comes

P.S. just behind that? Bastiannini and Martin, 2nd up in the shop window. 1st stop, Ducati. At this critical time Bastiannini has half a wheel ahead, but too close to call. Both can be signed to Factory contracts w top kit, one at Pramac. That is easier if they put Martin in Red and Beast in white. Either way, the White rider is vulnerable to poaching from competitors. Suzuki being one. 

Popcorn out as we say.

(Marc, heal up quickly and show these kids how it's done whilst staying on the damn bike Evil Knievel)

Where does Miller end up? Certainly not WSBK, he still has too much to offer the MOTOGP paddock yet. 

Unless Miller does something spectacular this year - can't see him being on a red bike next year. As a loyal servant to Ducati - can see Miller in WSBK or MotoAmerica in the future long term - like Petrux. Full factory Pramac next year ?

Jack is smart AND doesn't suffer from more pride than sense when head is cool. He has options and will pick the best one. Ducati looks supportive of him staying such that he gets to compete for a Pramac spot. He will pick where he thinks he can win, because he still thinks he can win.

The Ducati seats are contested now! At present I see Pramac -- Miller.

Both Quartararo and Mir have to be weighing up the factor of starting over with a new team, a new manufacturer (Honda w/ Puig), and, most of all, a new bike. A perceived lack of performance from their current steeds could tip the scale toward jumping ship. Mir's latest comments are that the Sukuki's potential is quite high. Quartararo's wet weather performance in an admittedly oddball race is giving him confidence. Less than expected results in the next upcoming races might convince either one to go for HRC. The boatload of cash could enter into the equation, but who's to say that Yamaha isn't able to match Honda's offer? Does Quarty really want to trade the Yam's front end for Honda's? Maverick's situation has to be playing in his mind. Both Quartararo and Mir are a part of championship challenging packages. If either one becomes convinced that their package is limiting them from winning races and a championship, then yeah, why not? Start over anew and begin working on all those details. A guy never knows what a bike is like until he rides it. And I'm not convinced that the paycheck is the end all. Maverick supposedly accepted less money from Yamaha when he decided to leave Suzuki. 

What if Pol gets some more podiums or even a win in the upcoming races? What does that say? The bike is ideal for his riding style, he has a great feeling that gives him confidence, and everything is clicking in the pitbox. Will Honda change the bike again for Quarty's riding style, because surely he and Pol have different styles.

At Termas, Honda has five wins and Yamaha one. That means diddly, but still, Pol may shine. Personally, I'd like to see the unpredictability continue with three new podium finishers. Keep everyone guessing.

Yup. I can see that. Quartararo's happiness and satisfaction at being competitive in the wet is what made a lasting impression on my consciousness. I'm still amazed at how phenomenal he is on the brakes into the turn at the end of a long straight. Zarco pulls abreast or accelerates past on the straight and Quartararo outbrakes him into the turn (yet again). Subject to the accuracy of memory, I recall the rear end of his Yamaha didn't seem to be moving around nearly as much at Mandalika as at Qatar. And an interesting fact is that Quartararo's win at Qatar last year came after several Qatar test days and at the end of two full race weekends. This year, there was no test at Qatar and only one race. That is a lot less imbedded rubber in the track surface and dialing-in of the bike's setup. Plus the other countless variables that have changed between last year's race and this year's. But still, it's fun to pick out one and contemplate it. Super curious to see what story unfolds at Termas.

Also heard Fabio quip that he had no more excuses because Franco was fast too. I hope that Franco can start to have some good consistent weekends, it will drive them both on. Fabio is a bit good on the brakes. I did worry that if the front end wasn't spot on he would struggle. Which is true to some extent but his struggle is still fast enough for a good points haul.

…to ask Ivanhoe to track a Silly Season prediction contest. 

Funny, on my favorite non-motorcycle forum (Boston Celtics) all anyone wants to post about is what player is going to move to what new team!  🙃

What a grandiose idea my dear St. Stephen!

Who wants to join in?

And the busy times ended two weeks ago so been catching up with friends and family 😊. Mind you, I make the time to read every article and comment on here, great stress-reliever!

As for 2023 predictions… giving that some thought still. What is your latest reading of the tea leaves?

Good for you enjoying this precious life. Hey, last Round threw me around like I was in a clothes washing machine. I don't know which way is up just yet. Been busy with work, and up to a few other things, but sincerely the Indonesian weekend repeatedly pissed tea leaves all about the place leaving me flummoxed for the now. Feeling crap about The Marc launching himself especially. I care about our kids.

The KTM looks better than we thought? The Red engine sorting and Bagnaia wobble are about to resolve nicely. The Honda really is as good as folks think, and Marc was reckless. Bastiannini will continue to rise above the rest. Morbidelli is returning to form, revealing both a gap to/brilliance of Quarty and that Blue has real problems since the rest of circus has moved far forward in power as (much of us) know. 

I don't know Ivan! What are you focused on and thinking? 

A bit out of left field but could he go to Ducati Moto-E? I'm sure Ducati would like a big name for their inaugural season, and Jack might like sliding those torque monsters around the track. If they could lure in a WSBK name too it would make for an interesting battle between riders you already like/know in an unexpected (and equalised) field. I just can't see him going backwards through the Ducati Motogp rides, maybe he'd best suit a KTM? But no chance of getting a ride there. Can you see Suzuki swapping out Rins for Miller? I guess weirder things have happened. I am sure they'll be looking for a young gun soon too, and hoping to retain M1r. Yamaha - I just don't see it. Maybe if Morbidelli left, but there's nowhere for him to go either. 

I guess there won't be a factory Ducati moto-e team since they are sole supplier. Perhaps they couldn't make the role glamorous enough for Jack. 

As you say - where does he end up?! 

Okay so I must confess I have speed read the comments above so please don't kill me if this point has been made before...

IMHO Marquez is the GOAT of his generation if not the GOAT of all generations that have raced in the premier class. The way he mastered RCV213 that no one else could really master for season after season leaves me in no doubt of his GOAT status. I doubt we will see a rider of his ilk again, or even another rookie winning the MotoGP championship on debut, I doubt this will ever happen again because the field is tighter than ever, variables introduced into the premier class where bikes go from winners at certain tracks one week to losers the next week. Some bikes seem to suit certain tracks more than others, riders and bikes seem to have preference for certain tyres... this was shown in spades this week in Indonesia. HRC's new RCV213 went from leading the test to barely featuring on race weekend and quite possibly may have prematurely called time on their start rider who has single handedly brought them bucket loads of wins/poles/fastest laps since he signed for the Repsol giants in 2013. The GP21 looked like it was the most complete bike last year but still managed to lose to Yamaha. The Suzuki looked like it may be all conquering after testing and free practice in Qatar but they struggled in the races so far (yes only two race so far this season but the pundits had them down as favourites before the lights went out in Qatar.)

Getting back to the Repsol Honda riding Marquez, there was a time during the 2019 season when I pondered what could stop this man from owning just about every important stat in his career. MM93's injuries up to that point, although severe, had not diminished his risk taking approach in the pursuit of winning at all costs. Marc's MO up to 2019 seemed to be find the limit, catch the tuck on his elbow or crash and then work backwards from there to find the perfect setup for his style. With 2020 being pretty much a right off for Marquez following his horrific arm injury and subsequent long recovery, I think most fans (whether Marquez's or not) of the sport at some point must have wondered, "What if he never comes back?" But fear not the King returned in 2021. The risk taking Marc seemed to have been pushed to one side and a more measured Marquez unveiled himself, but finally HRC had a January man in their fold, the new courteous Marquez still managed to make a nuisance of himself looking tows in free practice, harassing the faster riders during qualifying, at certain times during last season I wondered to myself would any other rider have gotten away with stretching the rubber band of the racing spirit to the extent that Marc did? Anyway Marc was back albeit in a different guise but the burning desire to be competitive and win races was still there... around the midpoint of Marc's 2021 season the Marquez of old started making more and more regular appearances... Fast forward to a concussion and a return of diplopia at the back end of the 2021 season, the Marquez of old was put back in the closet until he could get his vision sorted. Lack of preseason testing, an RCV213 that is more Pol's bike than his own and a change in the rear tyre allocation for Indonesia all managed to conjure up the perfect cocktail that culminated in Marquez being spat of by his spiteful pony and into the ground with superhero breaking force and we arrive today with the prospect of not seeing the greatest of the great racing for the foreseeable future...

My heart is sore for my beloved sport, my head is angry with Michelin... why on earth did they change the rear tyre to one that was pretty much universally disliked... why not bring the tyre from the test and the other allocated tyres for the weekend's races? Surely rider safety is of paramount? If this continues the way it is going at the moment we will see more riders injured, more races shortened and more fans disgruntled with the sport. I would say up until the Mandalika weekend MotoGP was in good shape heading into the flyaways before the European season kicks off, but post Mandalika it isn't... With the tyres behaving so erratically who knows which riders will make it to the European season uninjured??? Argentina and COTA have the best resumes when it comes to mega crashes on race weekends.... The Mandalika round should have been pushed back to a slot closer to Sepang or Phillip Island, the track was not ready, it should have been resurfaced from start to finish, the asphalt needed time to set, the construction could have been a lot further along, more beds would have been available and we would still possibly have a healthy Marc... But now the track will have to be resurfaced yet again, I'm all for creating employment but if there was not time to do something correctly not once but twice then suddenly it must be done properly at the third time of asking... But hey Dorna needs money, factories need to advertise for their sponsors, racers need to race, fans need to fan... there seems to be a lack of cool heads at the helm when these critical decisions are being made... Riders need to a forum to have their say on the changing tyre allocation during the season this simply cannot be left up to Michelin... We've seen how that turns out.

I don't mean to be rude but why be angry with Michelin for adjusting the tire allocation with the clear goal of providing a SAFER tire for the race?

Track temperature at Mandalika where expected to reach a level not seen anywhere else. The test there showed that the current-issue rear construction could not survive race distance in these conditions and the fresh pavement put another big question mark over the whole deal.

Taramasso said it was discussed with the teams beforehand and apparently all agreed on this solution.

The other possibility would have been to sent them out on the tire they had at the test?

I guess that then the carnage would have been spread more evenly across the field, say from lap 15 on to the finnish if we had a dry race, rather than on one particular rider that could not accept the reality of his limited performance on a machine that was not very well set-up for the safer, harder-casing tire.


I guess with the other tyre they would have had to do a 'PI 2013' with a compulsory bike swap and still drop the lap count, as they did, because of the track.

But Philip Island was also a different situation; a too abrasive surface vs a too hot surface with the issue not known ahead of FP1. 

Anyway, regarding Márquez, I believe he had plenty of warnings/crashes all week-end, and right up to that high-side, and just choose to not consider the option of not being P1 of a meanigless warm-up session.

He had his warnings but I don't think he had some need to be P1. I think he was trying to understand how to manage it. His task was to do what we saw him doing for a full race. How many times before have we seen it done and end with a good result. The positions in warm up don't mean much but the work may. What happened wasn't inevitable, he might have binned it anywhere with the Honda looking the way it was. Sods law it was one of the fast turns, he had a big one.

^ Right le racer? You folks have it on the nose, except WaveyD here - warm tone but what you have here is so very wrong from my seat. Careful not to get snagged on a particular conceptual anchor from an experience within inapplicable circumstance. Or, just that I try to minimize adherence of conception/concept. Things are evolving at a really second derivative sort of pace out here. 2019 is an old memory. There was a perfect storm of shite factors this weekend, AND Marc WAY overrode all wknd long anyway. How many crashes? Hubris. That Warmup crash, he was overdoing it. The gas it up then throttle chop at engine braking, he did right there through to launching his high side? More than cavalier. Cavalier is rather casual. Reckless.

Irony? In the full wet race he would have had a much better experience. The grip was good. Totally different tire, track was nice (albeit shedding some bits). No injury and a nice handful of points was there for him.

^ Spyker, I REALLY appreciate what you are saying here. The feeling, I share it. It is SO upsetting to see something so special not get sufficient basic care for whatever reason. I have shared that pain.

What we arrived at here (pre arm break Skittle Era)? "The only thing that can stop Marc is Marc." The term "dice rolls" was tossed around. It happened. And then again. And now, again. 

Good news is he IS coming back, and is not done recovering to his better form. He cannot stop. Racing that is.

Of course, a question: can he stop "cavalier" "reckless"? I see this last Round's "bridle breaking" overreach by Marc as an emotionally charged uninhibited disregulation that is the "trapped in despair" fueled. But disregulation it is. Shrink time for sure.

Chat fodder, I have Toprak to Factory Blue as a foregone conclusion. Do we?

How are you sussing out Red vs Honda for Quarty? It is tough to reach into and feel out from what is out there, isn't it? 

Looks Honda like to me given the lay of the pieces on the board.

Another few riders are showing well in the shop window. How good is Oliveira? How solid does Martin look, really? Is Bastiannini as good as he can seem? Who else is in this tier AND in a rising trajectory/not crested or later stage of career?

Toprak to Blue, joins Franco (who goes on to become 2022 vice WC) who gets a one year contract

Mir to Honda

Quart to Suzuki, where Rins stays, to be replaced by Franco in 2024

Martin to Red, Pecco stays

Bestia to Pramac, Miller to Pramac

Zarco out

Pol joins his brother because Maverick quits before the season ends

Marc comes back then retires leaving yet another vacuum at Repsol, which his brother will fill

Binder B and Oli stay Orange

Acosta to Tech3, Remy stays

Raul Fernandez joins Aqua (OK the yet another black) for a year before replacing Franco in 2024

Some new guy to Aqua

Dovi retires but tries another comeback in 2024

Bezz and Luca stay, potential move up for Vietti in 2024

… damn, did I forget my medicine?

^ Holy kashmoli! Someone else as nutty as me. 

Good stuff. I disagree a bunch and it doesn't matter at all because I love that you are processing such things and enjoying it. 

See you at the next witches' seeing seance. (We seem to be staring at Honda and Ducati/Quarty, while keeping 3rd eye on Mir and Suzuki/Honda. Won't have to wait long. I know what I see!


Kind of like the kid's card game of 52-pickup. You know, you throw all the cards in the air and then pick them up? Laughed at your prediction for Mav, though. Wouldn't be at all surprised.

Bradl racing the next 2 Rounds could accelerate the general development of the new Honda. And motivate the LCR guys, "better not get beat by the Test mule!"

Marc is a bit of an odd lone (huge alpha) wolf in their project. The whole program is still cranking in the powerband.

^ Amen. Right Wavey? Like as SOON as he felt that he didn't have to compensate for the right shoulder/upper arm and strength at Qatar, he just pulled the cork out at Indonesia. "OK, so full gas!" Ooph

I would start with groundedness as felt sense on and with the bike. Awareness not just ON grounding, but OF it. Not just bike even, solidity of Earth. It can be cultivated. And, must. 

Think electricity and your house - it doesn't just blast in directly from the wire outside. There is a fusebox, yes. But just outside a spike is driven deep in the dirt, grounding the whole thing. So now? Crank it up in here!

Good example lately? Dovisioso. VERY grounded rider. 

Poor example? Vinales comes to mind. For him it is more emotional and interpersonal. Marquez? Intrapersonal and one of self observation. He gets into a flow state, there is a very high level of drive - fire of the abdomen. The psychology is pushing and prodding. Sometimes even MORE if either excited or frustrated. 

He loads himself into a gun getting on the bike, pulls the trigger, then tries to just be the flying bullet. He needs to have a new way of seeing it all his own in which he feels contact/connection below. A bit of consciousness ballast.

A bit of grounding smooths and anchors that. It is a felt sense. There is a slight accompaniment of self observation hovering as needed, a regulatory noticing. That needs to be psychologically get brought in as friendly and congruent with ego. He will struggle against that, as expected. This is allowed to "go jump and buck around out in spacious freedom" repeatedly, settling in each time. How and why? Via the growing grounding and self observation. 

Nothing is lost as feared, except a bit of idealized child like freedom. INITIALLY, because this bit of discipline BRINGS real freedom and joy. It is internalized as me/mine, and chosen. Appreciated. Trusted. 

Make a bit of sense? Tough to articulate. (Motoshrink, at your service. Hablo un poco del Español tambien Sr Marc!)



Not an original thought by any means, but another way of looking at Marc Marquez is through the lens of addiction--to adrenaline. He has developed a tolerance, and needs higher and higher doses to achieve the same feeling.

St Steve, cheers mate! 

I hear you. I see Marc as having raced so long and successfully that the glandular activity of survival mind and even pleasure/reward system are not a central figure. 

"One can't not do it, must race if I can!" central drive, yes. But more to BE FULLY ALIVE. To really live. A felt hum of transcending limitation both human and physics. Endorphins. Transcendence. Pineal. Absolute being, more full and rich than conceivable. 

Fun? Of course! In hindsight. I wasn't there. It was everything. 

v Peter friend! May not just the draft be there for you, but good front feel through the apex. More gas. See you in S America!

And, until today, answers the question I have been unable to find the words for. I appreciate what you are doing here, Dave.


About Marc, to be honest, no.

The contrast is about the external view of events. Post arm break recovery and until last weekend everything was different. I'm wary of putting thoughts into people's heads. I don't mean suggestion. I mean the reading of minds. The imposition of archetypes, the post evaluation of apparently significantly synchronous events. It's very easy to do, there is legend, there is idolatry but there's no direct communication, there's no rapport. Compared to previous years there was not much different in Mandalika. He crashed a lot, not unusual although I think five might be a record but not surprising. He missed four races last year and was only beaten in the crash stats by Lecuona, 22 vs 26. Last year he had several big ones, the 2 in Jerez and Assen spring to mind. It's not clever, it's not good, I don't think he enjoys it. I don't think it's possible to see Mandalika as a symptom of psychological change when there is no change in behaviour. The difference in Mandalika is that he got hurt which could have happened at any of his big crashes last year. Think about Jerez last year, two big scary air fence tests and it was 'Honda have issues but Marc's back and it will get sorted now...his arm withstood the punishment which is a positive.' I don't think Marc has pulled any cork or gone crazy bananas, I think he just got hurt on a bad weekend. Does he take more risk than McGuinness ? Nowhere near.

PS: Not having a pop at McGuinness, that's as he saw it. To me, after the warm up crash Marc didn't look like he'd had enough. He looked lost. Literally lost and not sure where he was and what time it was. Beyond that I can only guess.

It looked like he'd been out for a very short time during the crash and didn't know what day it was when he got up.


What I interpreted from the couch, which had not been noticed before to that extent, was a sense of desperation in Marc's riding during his last lap at Mandalika. Like he was treating the second race's warmup session as the title deciding moment of a twenty-one race championship. It did not make sense, and seemed over the top even by what has been perceived as Marquez' standards. 

I'm ready for the Marquez 2.0 version, where he rides while aware of his kryptonite. 

Yeah, we've all noticed the "lazing on the couch" style  coming out in your posts....Sorry, didn't notice the comma....

Have to agree that that lap looked far more edgy. I know all the others are running it as close to the edge as they dare, the trouble is, Marquez has his own edge but he's still trying to locate it.

Whilst he still has a sizeable chunk of it left, some of it has broken off....


Hey Stumo, some of my best writing has come while in bed. At least it seems that way in the moment, dipping above and below the line of waking consciousness. But after reading it later, it's like, "Hmm...not so Earth shattering." Maybe it's just the experience of observing thought that is so wonderful.

Small "s" please, i'm not important enough for a capital

I delete almost all of my posts whether i wrote them on the couch, on the toilet or even on the beer, cos they read like crap :-)

David stated it was a closed throttle crash or was MM on the gas? Was his engine braking set to harshly? Did the track deteriorate at turn 7 at the moment of the crash? Did his rear suspension/ ride height mechanism fail causing the crash? Or was MM on the rear brake at the moment of the crash?

Puig is stating it was the Michelin tire is at fault not the bike or rider!

Taramasso stated crash data didn't indicate the tire was at fault.

How about Dorna and Honda release that crash data!!!

I believe this to be a good representation. 

Marc was recklessly over aggressive for various reasons. He was pushing too hard and not smoothly for the conditions and tires provided necessary to hold up race distance on this track surface. It offered less grip than previous ones.

Before the crash, he was on and over the limit but managing. He rounded a right corner. In the short straight he gave it lots of gas, which would put him rather hot into the next one. The CHOPPED the gas off as the next right corner was initiating. Like chucked it at the engine brake to sort. Way too extreme and rough for the grip available. 

It was a high speed corner. If one were to TRY to initiate a big high side moon launch? That is what you would do. At throttle open to chop, bike is leaning in. Rear breaks traction. Off he goes!

He had a lucky landing. The initial hit is on his feet. Slight right lean of body, his NEXT impact is shoulder to head. Boots, armour, airbag and Shoei all did everything possible. Bruised up and (estimating) moderate concussion. Best outcome. Still left vulnerable eye nerve stuff impacted. Thankfully less than the last two times it was injured. It should all heal up ok quickly. But the eye will remain vulnerable.

The bike isn't it. Marc adjusting to it being different as well as to his being back at it after absence and injury is a factor. The track and tires aren't to blame, although they are factors. Just factors. What he ate for breakfast was one too if you measure with a micrometer. If you mark it with a piece of chalk, the tire not a small factor, but isn't "responsible." Marc chopped it with an axe. Big. Like the rope of a trebuchet.

Does that make sense and help a bit?

I'm reminded of how Marc spoke in tones of fear on Friday when speaking about the high speed corners. Very uncharacteristic, and almost as if he knew that is where he would fail.

Reminiscent of Senna's comments before his fateful crash. And Stevie Ray Vaughn's pre-cognitive death dream before the helicopter crash. And other stories of this nature. If that were true, then that would be a premonition (or even knowledge?) of a future event before it has taken place. Then we are talking about transcending the concept of time. And why the fear business? Just the personal ego's reaction to a firmly held belief? 

And that could open the door to a discussion about causation and the observer effect. Like the double-slit experiment... 

Or there's so much still stored in the system from excessive past use that some molecules spontaneously dislodge and produce an effect. Why do I feel so high right now? effect without contact.

But, you know what really distorts the mind? Trying to make sense of governmental tax logic.


Thanks, Larry. I needed a good laugh. Doing taxes...

Bought a bottle of scotch this morning to help me through the maze.