2011 Aragon MotoGP Race Result: Runaway Victory Sees Race Settled Early

Results and summary of the MotoGP race at Motorland Aragon:

Casey Stoner has taken his 8th victory of the season at the Motorland Aragon circuit, running away with the race after a first-lap tussle with Dani Pedrosa and Ben Spies, and taking a big step toward securing his second World Championship. With Jorge Lorenzo finishing 3rd, Stoner's advantage over the Spaniard has grown to 44 points, with just 4 more races to go in the championship.  

The first corners of the Motorland Aragon circuit produced strong battles in all three classes, with Ben Spies getting a fantastic start and elbowing his way into the lead at Turn 1, ahead of Dani Pedrosa who had got his usual rocket start. Casey Stoner sat right on the tail of his teammate, passing Pedrosa on the way to the downhill section nicknamed the Sacacorchos or Corkscrew, before blasting past Spies along the downhill back straight. In his attempt to hold off the charging Hondas, Spies pushed hard on the brakes, but ran wide in the attempt and allowed by Stoner and Pedrosa.

Once Stoner was past, no one would challenge him, Pedrosa incapable of matching the scorching pace set by the Australian. Stoner commanded the race from the front, finishing a long way ahead of Pedrosa, the Spaniard in turn finishing well ahead of the battle for 3rd.

That battle at least generated some interest. Spies led his teammate Jorge Lorenzo in the early laps, but Marco Simoncelli soon caught and then passed first Lorenzo and then Spies. But passing Spies turned out to be tougher than he thought, Simoncelli outbraking himself and running wide at Turn 12, allowing both Spies and Lorenzo to pass. With Simoncelli gone, Lorenzo started to push forward, the Spaniard's tires holding up a little better than the Texan's on the abrasive Aragon surface. On lap 14, Lorenzo was past, and quickly dropped his teammate, going on to secure 3rd. The top two steps of the podium were beyond his reach, but at least he could limit the damage from Stoner. After a difficult weekend, grabbing 3rd was something of a relief.

Simoncelli's mistake may have cost him a shot at the podium, but he quickly recovered to chase down Spies. As Spies' tires deteriorated, Simoncelli reeled the Texan in, passing the Yamaha on lap 17. In the end, the San Carlo Gresini Honda rider took 4th by a comfortable 7 seconds, Spies slipping to 5th.

Behind Spies, Alvaro Bautista won the battle with Hector Barbera and Nicky Hayden, Hayden fading after a strong start to the race. Bautista's second 6th-place finish in three races is a positive sign going into the Japanese MotoGP round, and may encourage Suzuki to stay in the series. Barbera and Hayden's tussle ended when Barbera made a mistake at the very end, allowing the Marlboro Ducati rider to finish ahead of the Mapfre Aspar bike.

Behind Barbera, Monster Tech 3 Yamaha's Cal Crutchlow came out on top of a battle with Valentino Rossi and the second San Carlo Gresini bike of Hiroshi Aoyama, with Crutchlow beating the Marlboro Ducati with an audacious outside pass to take 9th. Rossi's 10th place finish was a strong recovery, after starting the race from pit lane due to infringing the engine durability rules (taking a 7th engine to allow him to use the new aluminium chassis in both is bikes). Choosing Aragon to start from pit lane proved to be a sensible decision, Rossi finishing the first lap just 7.4 seconds behind  the leader, Casey Stoner, and just 2.2 seconds behind the last man in the pack, Loris Capirossi. The aluminium chassis did not deliver the improvement he had hoped for, Rossi's best lap still nearly 1.7 seconds slower than Stoner's on the Honda. There is still a lot of work to do.

Stoner's victory at Aragon puts him 44 points clear in the championship. He could wrap up the championship at his home round at Phillip Island the day after his birthday. Jorge Lorenzo has his work cut out for him - and will require assistance from others - if he is to retain his MotoGP World Championship.


Pos. No. Rider Manufacturer Time Diff
1 27 Casey STONER HONDA 42'17.427  
2 26 Dani PEDROSA HONDA 42'25.589 8.162
3 1 Jorge LORENZO YAMAHA 42'31.636 14.209
4 58 Marco SIMONCELLI HONDA 42'38.073 20.646
5 11 Ben SPIES YAMAHA 42'45.166 27.739
6 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SUZUKI 42'47.800 30.373
7 69 Nicky HAYDEN DUCATI 42'51.715 34.288
8 8 Hector BARBERA DUCATI 42'54.732 37.305
9 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW YAMAHA 42'57.079 39.652
10 46 Valentino ROSSI DUCATI 42'57.259 39.832
11 7 Hiroshi AOYAMA HONDA 42'57.424 39.997
12 14 Randy DE PUNIET DUCATI 43'12.144 54.717
13 5 Colin EDWARDS YAMAHA 43'15.857 58.430
Not Classified
  24 Toni ELIAS HONDA 28'12.276 8 laps
  65 Loris CAPIROSSI DUCATI 28'12.364 8 laps
  4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO HONDA    
  17 Karel ABRAHAM DUCATI    


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Maybe they need to drop the rule that you can only compete in one class and allow riders to compete in both MotoGP and Moto2 ...

I was thinking the same thing earlier this year, with Moto2 using Honda engines, maybe Stoner could compete in both, ala Spencer in 85.

Stoner would just turn Moto2 into a snooze fest as well. Make no mistake GP is a whole other level, and he is another level on that.

Casey could you please slow down. You should just toy with people make a show of it. Maybe on the start let everyone pass you then come throught the field picking everyone off. Just give me something to watch. As it is now the only exciting thing is watching you shred corners in super slo mo.

Perfect race for Stoner at this stage of the championship, despite sending you to sleep. He managed his gap back to Dani very well, and rode only as fast as he had to, to do that. All he had to do was slip more points between himself and Jorge. Mission accomplished. 

Pedrosa saw the future today and it was not good for him at all. Marquez winning Moto2 and probably on the way to the championship, and Stoner blitzing the field, including Pedrosa himself. There is a very good chance that Stoner will win all of the final four races this year. Expect Stoner to demonstrate a lot more of this dominance next year on the 1000. Those who find the Stoner dominance boring had better hope that either Marquez proves himself a match for Stoner on a Honda in a year or two (and that's a very big if) or that Stoner retires early to his farm with his wife and new baby.

Pedrosa's body language and face at the post-race conference told deep, rather troubled stories. He will have to dig really deep to find an edge and speed to rein in Stoner's dominance. Not to mention staying healthy.
I think Stoner and Marquez on the same team is already making HRC bosses rub their hands in glee.

I have hope that the move to 1000's will at least change things a bit. Also I'm holding out hope for Spies on the 1000's cause the last 4 seasons he threw a leg over a 1000 he ended as champion. I'm not saying by any means that means he'll beat Stoner but I think maybe he'll be faster a bit compared to some of the field.

Heck, that's a lot.
Motegi's stop and go nature should suit the RC212V very well, like Le Mans. Depending on how it goes, Stoner can seal the title at home.

David any word on Karel Abraham? Word is Loris Capirossi has a dislocated shoulder.

After a disastrous campaign, today he had an easy top10 in the bag given his pace in practice and warm up...yet it was pure bad luck to see Abraham crash right in front of him making him go in the gravel on the very first lap.

The race was generally just as fast as last year (2010 Stoner wins it on the Ducati in 42'16.530, 5"1 ahead of Pedrosa, 2011 Stoner wins it on the Honda in 42'17.427, 8"1 ahead of Pedrosa).

Compared to last year Lorenzo on the Yamaha lost 5 seconds, Pedrosa on the Honda lost 4 seconds, Bautista on the Suzuki gained 4 seconds.

But the best Ducati rider lost 35 seconds, and Hayden is 25 seconds slower on the GP11.1 than himself on the GP10. He lost over 1 second a lap on average compared to last year, something is very wrong with this year's bike(s) at Ducati.
His best lap in the race last year was 1'49.935 compared to 1'50.685 this year.

On the other hand Rossi had a pace pretty similar to Hayden's and if it wasn't for the start he could have fought for his usual 6th spot 20-30 seconds behind the winner. So the first race with the GP11.1 alu doctor edition isn't too bad but still a very long way from being competitive.

Honestly Hayden much slower than last year, and he and the team have no idea why, is a very bad situation.

. . . is in a CLASS BY HIMSELF! It has to be extremely demoralizing for Dani, as he's always been HRC's #1 boy and now . . . . he's getting smoked by his teammate! Think how far ahead Stoner would have been if he'd put the hammer DOWN the entire race? While the race was 'non-eventfull', watching Stoner's talent is quite inspiring!

Duc's: saying they're lost would be a understatement. It appears, they don't even know which direction to head in! A factory Duc fighting it out w/a Suzuki! What was Rossi's fastest lap during the race?

Rossi's fastest lap was 1:50.743 on the 3rd lap . Empty track in front of him. Most of the time he was in the 1:51 bracket.

Last year , Stoner's fastest lap was 1:49.555 on the old unrideable Ducati. Lap 12. In 2010, most of Stoner's race times were in the high 1:49's.

This year, Stoner's fastest lap was 1:49.046 on Lap 4. Lap 1 through 12, were all in 1:49's. Laps 13 to the end were 1:50 bracket and a couple in 1:51

Comparing the times to last season is completely missing the point.. Rossi was also a lot quicker on the gp11 and no doubt by now would have had his techniques improved and been a bit quicker still and I have little doubt would have had podium potential looking at RdP. But 3 race wins when your title chase was over by race 3 of the season is useless to Rossi and that was the sum total of the cfbikes best riders best ever efforts.. Changes had to be made.

But you can't have it both ways. Earlier in the season you were favorably comparing Rossi's times this year to Stoner's last season, now you say it's missing the point....

I've been regularly rising at 3 or 4:00 am to watch the races live for going on 8 years. The 125s and 250s/Moto2 have always been thrilling. MotoGP has been a bore this season more than most. Taking nothing from Stoner, not blaming the rulebook and detracting nothing from the individual efforts of any of the best riders in the world on the grid, the boredom of the final race has decreased the motivation for me to wake up early and watch live. I've watched the last 3 races linked from the 'no-spoiler' page on Motogp.com. I feel like I've quit my favorite hobby. And there's a guilty feeling associated with it. I hope it gets better next year.

My schedule at work is ridiculous. All of my shifts are 12 hours long, and every week I switch between night shifts and day shifts. I work half the weekends and have the other half off. The upside is that when I'm working night shifts, I watch all three races live and get paid for it (unless something goes wrong and I've got actual work to do). When I'm working day shifts, I have to get up to leave at 4:00 in the morning, so I still get paid to watch the races, but I have to watch the replay on nospoilers.

It's my rare weekend off where things have changed for me lately. Used to set an alarm at 5:00am so I could catch the race. Haven't done that in about two seasons. This weekend was no exception. I got up when I pleased and watched the replays on nospoilers.

The only reason I feel guilty?

Not waking up for that AWESOME Moto2 race...

I live in Washington state. The European rounds all go off at 5:00 my time. You must live in the central time zone?

Yes, CST. I spent 3 seasons in Seattle so it seemed a little easier to just stay up for the 125 race start at 2:00 am.

Can't be bothered to get up and watch boring racing.
I used to watch all of the races live, but with Moto GP being such an anticlimactic main event, I just watch the races from the no-spoiler page.

But I don't feel guilty.
The races are boring, and I have better things to do.

I think the analysis on motomatters is more interesting than the actual Moto GP race!

I think it's more that I feel like I've quit something I was really committed to. Maybe just disappointed.

Analysis aside, the quality of the comments has been inversely proportional to the excitement of the MotoGP race. Maybe there's a connection!

Great ride by Casey and also Dani today, i am finding harder and harder to accept that the honda isn't just an incredible bike this year certainly over the last few years neither Casey nor Dani ever looked like they could consistantly beat Rossi and Jorge thouhg special dispensation to Rossi, JL has no excuses... Massive qudos to Casey and Dani and Honda..
Yamaha have been lucky that ducati have managed to take the heat off them, have they really been the dominant brand of this era?? totally dominant for the last 3 seasons.. They've fallen as far as Honda did in 2004 no question. Which has made the gap to the honda look even grander than it truly is though it's still there.
I can't think of anything positive to say about Ducati and in particular Presiozi, it's hard to imagine someone getting it this wrong for this long, he still has no idea whether it's the material or the engine subframe or both more likely, that is the problem, any other company would have brought someone else in by now. I would urge Brivio to start talks elsewhere.
They are not trying to build the most competitive bike they can they are trying to get the current layout to work and you don't have to be an engineer to know that they don't know how to do it. The fix for that bike might be 10 years off or it simply might not exist there is no president to suggest the engine subframe is a winning formula without huge advantages elsewhere.. Meanwhile everyone else is racing proven winning technology that they understand. My advice is to get out of Ducati quickly they made the decision to run with this long before Rossi and JB turned up, and put it down to a bad experience before they bring the next swing arm/front spars and off course entire new motorcycle because any changes mean a new engine, in a six engine rule there we have another huge black hole that ducati refuse to accept exists.. Total rubbish..
Before I get the the duke was contender last year. Casey was 150 points behind Jorge last year and this year has a good chance of finishing nearly a 100 points ahead if the rest of the races go like todays, that's a swing of nearly 250 points or to put it another way 10 whole race wins, that is true position of the gp11 in relation to the competition, which has proved so far to be a better bet than the gp11.?

Not sure if you noticed that Lorenzo is second in the championship. Aragon is Yamaha's worst track. Same last year for the Yamaha riders, especially Rossi.

What has changed this year is that Stoner left Ducati and went to Honda. Result: Ducati goes slower, Honda goes faster. Funny thing that. Sure that oversimplifies it, but it is also closer to the truth than some people are willing to admit. Without Stoner at Honda Lorenzo would be leading the championship. There has been no fall by Yamaha. The difference is mostly just a new rider at Honda.

And how could Preziosi know that Rossi couldn't ride the bike the way Stoner did? Isn't Rossi the GOAT? Strange we don't hear that acronym much these days. It is Rossi and Burgess that have requested all the changes. Result: the works Ducatis go slower. Never was this seen more starkly than at Aragon. And after last year I thought Aragon would be a strong track for Ducati. And how many times has a satellite Ducati outqualified Rossi this year? Several times. How many times did a satellite Ducati outqualify Stoner when he was riding a Ducati? Answer: never. It ain't just the bike and it ain't just Preziosi. The whole lot of them bear responsibility, from senior management down, and including Rossi and Burgess.

PS...and it was inevitable that Honda, being Honda, would eventually find the right combination of bike and rider to win the championship. To make out that this is a failure by Yamaha because they let Rossi go is just plain silly... and to think that Rossi on a Yamaha would be beating Stoner on a Honda really is a flight of pure fantasy.

Yeah for sure, Stoner is the best rider ever and Rossi is a joke ... very simple.

To answer your question, Stoner fell 5 times last year .. so 5 times behind a satellite rider.

This year, Rossi 2 times ...

Yeah i know and agree, Stoner was able to corner this damn Ducati ... but the price was often the fall these last two years. After 11 seasons on top 3 with very few falls, Rossi is just not able to completely change his style, maybe he has not the balls Stoner had to do what he did but the fact is still that the Ducati is slower this year than ever: Hayden used the GP10 the first half of the season (more than that actually) and was slower than last year from the beginning ...

The fact is also that clearly, Honda has the best bike this year (first complete Honda podium since many years, Dovizioso 4 times in front of Lorenzo, Simoncelli very fast in qual etc etc) and it has nothing to do with Stoner at least at the beginning because he wasn' here to develop it.

By the way, I agree with a lot of what you write ... but things are not (never) so simple.

I really hop Lorenzo and Stoner will be closer next year, I think they have similar talents ... and I really don't see how Ducati will clean this incredible mess in such a short period ... but who knows ... fight for 5th and sometimes podium would be a start but I honnestly believe Rossi wont be a Ducati rider in 2013 ...

PS: Moto2 has maybe ridiculous rules but what a show !

Hmm... nowhere did I say that Stoner was the best ever and Rossi a joke. I mentioned satellite Ducatis versus Stoner in qualifying not the race. That Ducati, Rossi and Burgess between them have gotten themselves into a mess is undeniable, and no-one seems to know why. And who developed the Honda has nothing to do with who can ride it best. Perhaps we should give all the credit for Honda's success this year to Honda's test riders.

And I said things were never that simple, but sometimes simplifying things is useful to make a point.

But I am immensely surprised that Rossi, of all people, has struggled so much with the Ducati. I never expected him to match Stoner for speed, but I thought he would get close. Yes he has fallen off less, at least in races, but that has little relevance when he is so far off the front running pace. Rossi's poor performance on the Ducati from the very beginning demands a re-evaluation of him as a rider and as a developer.

Of course maybe all the changes Ducati have made may suddenly click and see Rossi return to winning ways. It's a very big maybe. At least I would expect Rossi to do better with the 1000 next year due to the different riding style required.

The other poster has been attacking Yamaha far and wide, suggesting that Yamaha has had a massive decline this year, like Honda in 2004, and blaming this "decline" on Yamaha for dumping Rossi. I was trying to point out that it is not a decline at Yamaha at all, it is the ascendancy of Honda and Stoner that has changed the MotoGP landscape. And long overdue too, after 800cc domination first by Ducati and then Yamaha.

Honda basically made 2 steps forward: one last year, when they poached their electronics wizz from Yamaha, and one this year with their new electrickery gearbox/clutch.

The bike is competitive and capable of winning, but Stoner is the final ingredient that turns it into a consistent winner.

I understand that Casey Stoner is now level with Eddie Lawson on GP wins. How much he would love to win the remaining 4 and equal Mick Doohans 12 wins in one season. It won't be easy but I would not rule out the possibility. The race for the win may not have been memorable, but the title hunt is still on. You just know Lorenzo, (great ride by him) and Stoner will not settle for second place from hereon in to Valancia. Lorenzo because he has to, Stoner because he wants to.
Moto 2 was an absolute spectacle. Some will say GP was a bore, but Moto 2 made up for it. Its a bit much for any fan of the sport to expect 3 nailbiters in one day. There were some highly entertaining battles for lower placings in the main race and the coverage of them was great.
I tend to agree with a previous comment that Dani Pedrosa must be feeling the heat in the Repsol garage. Especially as this was in Spain. Another great ride by him, nevertheless.
Ducati woes or Ducati rider selection woes for 2011/12 ? I'm not going down that road right now.

Actually, Stoner was asked the question about stats and Dohan's record, and made it quite clear that he has no interest in trying to match it or any other record.

Even in the unlikely event that he won another 4 races, he knows that Dohan did it when there we less races in a season, and the same goes for total number of GP wins.

You can't compare riders of different eras, and any attempt to do so is just a waste of time.

I've not a clue wny one would wonder why Hayden and Rossi are slower this year vs last year at this circuit.

They've applied their development methods to the Ducati and this is the result. Plain and simple as that. Wake up to reality.

My way of saying it's plain as day that they don't know what they're doing. You don't have to be an engineer to deduct that. And I might add you don't have to be a MotoGp rider/engineer to critcize what is happening anymore than you'd have to be a politician to criticize a political blunder.

Ducat plus Rossi have been a hoot this year and I hope and pray that they sign on Simoncelli for next year. That's about the only thing that could improve on this clown act.

Frankly I don't consider this harsh criticize or a hate post. No more than making fun of a football team that loses every game of the year and fans having a laugh at their expense. Same thing. Lighten up.

Put them all three on a Honda, Stoner, J-Lo, Rossi currently, they will fill the podium all year long.
Would Stoner still have his runaway wins? Yes I think so. Would there be more battle, a few but not like the old days.

But like so often, it is all mute. You wont see them on the same bikes, comparing laptime's between this year and last year, indicative, nothing more, tires are different, temperatures are different. You can use the details to back your favorites, trash who you dont like. Selective use of information.

Agree on the rider + bike + gearbox etc etc comment. And its the best combo at the moment. Honda + Casey. History books will tell us if he was the greatest not a bunch of yobbo's on the net.

I tend to think that the industry (MotoGP) increased their revenue because of tight racing, personalities and tv exposure. Nowaday there are no private riders in MotoGP, all paid to race and get at least 100 kusd (guesswork). Now guess who MotoGP has to thank for that, the likes of Rainey, Doohan, Criville, Schwantz and yes Rossi. remember the era where there were amateurs filling the start grid, not paid, Will Hartog, Jack Middelburg etc. If the personalities leave AND the racing is boring then we probably better start following Golf.

Yes, motor sport is never ever just about the rider/driver. It is always rider + machine, even at the most basic club level. And motorsport is never a fair sporting contest in the sense that say tennis, golf or athletics is. I don't like the fact that Rossi has had special favors in the past, or Marquez now for that matter. It offends my sense of fairness. But reality is that the best riders end up with the best equipment, and that just exaggerates the difference between the top guys and the rest. So it is with Stoner this year. Arguably the best rider in the business right now on the best bike. But at least there are three other Honda guys with equal equipment, and Honda is to be applauded for that.

"But at least there are three other Honda guys with equal equipment, and Honda is to be applauded for that."

I think he was referring to Simo as the 3rd Honda guy ;)

I can't help myself. I notice that Stoner was slower on the Honda this yr vs being on the Ducati last year.

So much for the value of comparing the same race times from one year to the next and thinking it proves much at all.

And no, I don't believe the Honda is slower. Just pointing out that there's stastistics and there's damn stastistics and you can use 'em to prove just about any point you want one way......or the other.

Exactly. I'm almsot tired of seeing lap times thrown around. Who knows what the temp was last year compared to now or what the tires where like, or what other races have been run on the circuit and how much rubber they laid down. Any of these things could affect the overall times so although comparing times is something done over and over I don't think it's a end all clear cut picture to who is doing what on the bikes as a lot more comes into play than probably even we think.

prove some points with statistics.

2010 Stoner wins on the Ducati in 42'16.530, 5"1 ahead of Pedrosa.
2011 Stoner wins on the Honda in 42'17.427, 8"1 ahead of Pedrosa.

Indeed Stoner was marginally faster in the race last year, but the difference is absolutely negligible (0"9 total over 23 laps).
At Aragon where he finally found good setup/confidence/whatever you want with the GP10 last year, he won from pole. This year with the Honda he won from pole with a very similar race time.

The evolution of race times compared to last year tells a good part of the story:

Race time +0"897
2010 Stoner 42'16.530, 2011 Stoner 42'17.427

Honda -4"251
Stoner 2011 42'17.427
Pedrosa 2010 42'21.678, 2011 42'25.589 +3"911

Yamaha +5"526
Lorenzo 2010 42'26.110, 2011 42'31.636 +5"526
Spies 2010 42'30.301, 2011 42'45.166 +14"865
Rossi 2010 42'43.860

Suzuki -3"984
Bautista 2010 42'51.784, 2011 42'47.800 -3"984

Ducati +35"185
Stoner 2010 42'16.530
Hayden 2010 42'26.026, 2011 42'51.715 +25"689
Rossi 2011 42'57.259

Fastest laps during the race are less significant than race pace (because they only show how hard you can push for one or a few laps, not for the entire race) but still give some significant clues:

Fastest lap -0"475
2010 Pedrosa 1'49.521
2011 Stoner 1'49.046

Honda -0"475
Stoner 2011 1'49.046
Pedrosa 2010 1'49.521, 2011 1'49.454 -0"067

Yamaha -0"217
Lorenzo 2010 1'50.273, 2011 1'50.056 -0"217
Spies 2010 1'50.116, 2011 1'49.593 -0'523
Rossi 2010 1'50.701

Suzuki -0"394
Bautista 2010 1'50.958, 2011 1'50.564 -0"394

Ducati +1"130
Stoner 2010 1'49.555
Hayden 2010 1'49.935, 2011 1'50.685 +0"750
Rossi 2011 1'50.743

Compared to 2010 all official riders except Ducati's fastest laps were a bit quicker this year (basically identical for Pedrosa).
Race time was identical yet if you look at official riders who didn't switch ride since last year, Bautista is the only rider faster than last year (4 seconds).
Pedrosa and Lorenzo were slightly slower (4 and 5 seconds respectively) while Hayden was vastly slower (25 seconds) this year.

I am not implying anything and let you draw your own conclusions, these are merely facts.

I agree that comparing laptimes from different riders and different years can be meaningless, because of different weather, track conditions and so much more.
However I think that if you actually compare the evolution of each manufacturer and rider laptimes and racetimes with each other and with the evolution of the race winning time and fastest lap of the race it can be relevant, especially if the race winning time is basically identical from one year to the other.

Frenchie any chance you could do a summary?? I realise you've not factored in all the factors that make season to season comparions worthless but I'm not as young as I used to be and looking at all those numbers in rows is giving me a headache...

Comparing Stoner's race time this year to last year is not really relevant, because last year Stoner was pushed hard by Pedrosa, but this year he just rode away easily and was absolutely cruising in the last third of the race. So I suggest that Stoner could have gone a lot faster this year if he had been pushed. Also tire degradation was a big issue for a lot of riders this year, but not last year. So the works Ducatis in particular looked worse than they really were because they had massive tire degradation problems.